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		<title>By: Frankie</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2008/04/01/are-student-loans-the-source-of-the-next-financial-meltdown/#comment-89417</link>
		<dc:creator>Frankie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 21:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frugal Dad,
I stumbled across this post and comment while perusing your archives (great info!).  I know this is a very old post, but I don&#039;t want some misinformation to prevent you from recommending military benefits as a viable option for college tuition in possible future posts.  Enlisting in the military provides two avenues of paying for college.  While you are enlisted, you can take advantage of tuition assistance.  Tuition assistance caps at $250 per credit hour and $4500 per year.  This applies to both reservists and active duty Soldiers.  As a reservist, I attended online classes part time while working full time, and working part time for the Reserves.  I never paid a dime.  I even witnessed some &quot;F.O.B. Rats&quot; complete coursework during a deployment!  More power to them for pulling it off.  

The G.I. Bill has had defeciencies in the past, but the Post 9/11 G.I. Bill has recently kicked in and is a huge improvement over previous versions of the G.I. Bill, especially for reservists.  Depending on active duty time served, the G.I. Bill will pay up to 100% in state tuition, $1000 stipend for books and supplies, and monthly basic housing allowance (the national average is about $1300).  The 36 month limit is true, but that&#039;s good for a four year degree (nine months a year).  

I&#039;ll break my circumstance down so you can see the benefits for someone who served part time (knowing that full time benefits are even better).  I was enlisted in the reserves for 9 years, I served two deployments, good for about 28 months of active duty time.  The classes I took while enlisted were paid for by Tuition Assistance.  This was totally seperate from G. I. Bill.  Somehow I had the forsight not to activate the G. I. Bill until I was separated from the military.  Between credits earned for military training and the courses I took with TA, I have completed about 40 credit hours towards a degree.  I am kicking myself for not taking more advantage of TA, but I could have done worse, I suppose.  Granted, fitting school in around deployments and training is tough, but I know of many people who obtained their degree totally on the TA&#039;s dime, and at schools like Kansas U and Kansas State.  Now that I am done with my service, I am enrolled fulltime in online coursework.  The time I did serve earned me 80% percent of tuition paid through Post 9/11 GI Bill (the remaining 20% is picked up by my employer via tuition reimbursement), this also includes $800 of yearly stipend, and because my coursework is 100% online I get half of the national average for basic housing allowance which comes out to $670 a month.  If I had one class at a brick and mortar school, I would be eligible for full housing allowance.  The full housing allowance rate where I reside wouldn&#039;t be much more than the $670, so the extra hassle is not worth it to me (I work full time, family, etc). However, someone living in Laguna Hills, CA could be eligible for $1700 dollars a month in housing allowance alone!  What a great oppurtunity.

So, even at 80%, G.I. Bill is essentially paying for all of college.  Now, someone could sock away the stipends and housing allowance and use that money to pursue further education once the G.I. Bill runs out.  I will use my housing allowance money to pay off my wife&#039;s student loans.  So, basically my military service paid for my schooling and will pay for the majority of my wife&#039;s schooling as well.  Not a bad deal, if you ask me.  Not to mention the professional training and experience I gained in the military was invaluable to me in the private sector.  

I know this is a lengthy post, but I hope I&#039;ve convinced you that the military is a  great way to pay for college and learn how to apply those skills as well.  There are positives and negatives to joining the military just as there are pros and cons to any career choice.  However, I hope you continue to encourage people to explore this oppurtunity if it fits their needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frugal Dad,<br />
I stumbled across this post and comment while perusing your archives (great info!).  I know this is a very old post, but I don&#8217;t want some misinformation to prevent you from recommending military benefits as a viable option for college tuition in possible future posts.  Enlisting in the military provides two avenues of paying for college.  While you are enlisted, you can take advantage of tuition assistance.  Tuition assistance caps at $250 per credit hour and $4500 per year.  This applies to both reservists and active duty Soldiers.  As a reservist, I attended online classes part time while working full time, and working part time for the Reserves.  I never paid a dime.  I even witnessed some &#8220;F.O.B. Rats&#8221; complete coursework during a deployment!  More power to them for pulling it off.  </p>
<p>The G.I. Bill has had defeciencies in the past, but the Post 9/11 G.I. Bill has recently kicked in and is a huge improvement over previous versions of the G.I. Bill, especially for reservists.  Depending on active duty time served, the G.I. Bill will pay up to 100% in state tuition, $1000 stipend for books and supplies, and monthly basic housing allowance (the national average is about $1300).  The 36 month limit is true, but that&#8217;s good for a four year degree (nine months a year).  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll break my circumstance down so you can see the benefits for someone who served part time (knowing that full time benefits are even better).  I was enlisted in the reserves for 9 years, I served two deployments, good for about 28 months of active duty time.  The classes I took while enlisted were paid for by Tuition Assistance.  This was totally seperate from G. I. Bill.  Somehow I had the forsight not to activate the G. I. Bill until I was separated from the military.  Between credits earned for military training and the courses I took with TA, I have completed about 40 credit hours towards a degree.  I am kicking myself for not taking more advantage of TA, but I could have done worse, I suppose.  Granted, fitting school in around deployments and training is tough, but I know of many people who obtained their degree totally on the TA&#8217;s dime, and at schools like Kansas U and Kansas State.  Now that I am done with my service, I am enrolled fulltime in online coursework.  The time I did serve earned me 80% percent of tuition paid through Post 9/11 GI Bill (the remaining 20% is picked up by my employer via tuition reimbursement), this also includes $800 of yearly stipend, and because my coursework is 100% online I get half of the national average for basic housing allowance which comes out to $670 a month.  If I had one class at a brick and mortar school, I would be eligible for full housing allowance.  The full housing allowance rate where I reside wouldn&#8217;t be much more than the $670, so the extra hassle is not worth it to me (I work full time, family, etc). However, someone living in Laguna Hills, CA could be eligible for $1700 dollars a month in housing allowance alone!  What a great oppurtunity.</p>
<p>So, even at 80%, G.I. Bill is essentially paying for all of college.  Now, someone could sock away the stipends and housing allowance and use that money to pursue further education once the G.I. Bill runs out.  I will use my housing allowance money to pay off my wife&#8217;s student loans.  So, basically my military service paid for my schooling and will pay for the majority of my wife&#8217;s schooling as well.  Not a bad deal, if you ask me.  Not to mention the professional training and experience I gained in the military was invaluable to me in the private sector.  </p>
<p>I know this is a lengthy post, but I hope I&#8217;ve convinced you that the military is a  great way to pay for college and learn how to apply those skills as well.  There are positives and negatives to joining the military just as there are pros and cons to any career choice.  However, I hope you continue to encourage people to explore this oppurtunity if it fits their needs.</p>
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		<title>By: Abraham Lincoln&#8217;s Letter To Brother Asking For Money &#124; Frugal Dad</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2008/04/01/are-student-loans-the-source-of-the-next-financial-meltdown/#comment-21574</link>
		<dc:creator>Abraham Lincoln&#8217;s Letter To Brother Asking For Money &#124; Frugal Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 01:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: lina</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2008/04/01/are-student-loans-the-source-of-the-next-financial-meltdown/#comment-18811</link>
		<dc:creator>lina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 20:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked full-time through college while it is definitely a guaranteed source of income, you must consider that most college students will not be able to find a job above minimum wage--and you really do not make enough money on minimum wage to offset the physical and emotional difficulty a 80-hour/week schedule brings. 

The obvious drawback to the GI Bill option is that...well, you could get killed. Yes, it&#039;s a small chance. But is going to college worth that? 








(I realize this entry is old but people may still be looking at it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked full-time through college while it is definitely a guaranteed source of income, you must consider that most college students will not be able to find a job above minimum wage&#8211;and you really do not make enough money on minimum wage to offset the physical and emotional difficulty a 80-hour/week schedule brings. </p>
<p>The obvious drawback to the GI Bill option is that&#8230;well, you could get killed. Yes, it&#8217;s a small chance. But is going to college worth that? </p>
<p>(I realize this entry is old but people may still be looking at it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Another Economic Stimulus Check Could Ultimately Hurt the Economy &#124; Frugal Dad</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2008/04/01/are-student-loans-the-source-of-the-next-financial-meltdown/#comment-9835</link>
		<dc:creator>Another Economic Stimulus Check Could Ultimately Hurt the Economy &#124; Frugal Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] after years of economic expansion, we hit another snag.  Maybe this time it is the demise of the student loan industry, or maybe credit card debt finally reaches such epic proportion that borrowers en masse begin to [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Smitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Smitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that I vehemently disagree with those of you who insist college is not necessary.  I took time off from school after three years and scoured Chicagoland for any sort of full time job, not even being picky, and the only sorts of jobs I found that would hire someone without a bachelor&#039;s degree were: Postal Delivery Person, waiting tables, hotel clerk, and other minimum to very low wage jobs with zero health or retirement benefits.  I am an fairly intelligent and capable person with strong work experience behind me (having worked two jobs throughout my entire first years of college to help pay for tuition and rent) and yet I heard time and again, &quot;Come back once you have your bachelor&#039;s degree!&quot; or &quot;If you had a college education you&#039;d be a desirable candidate.&quot;  After working and not being able to save anything off of the meager pittances I earned as a degree-less kid in the work force I made up my mind to go back to school and couldn&#039;t be happier with my decision.  Right now I am struggling to find a private student loan to fill in where my (admittedly generous) grants from my school and federal loans weren&#039;t sufficient, and as much as this pains me, I know it will be worth it.  The issue, I believe, is that students in America don&#039;t take their educations as seriously as they should.  Higher education is a beautiful thing and extremely necessary.  Wonder why you can&#039;t find a decent paying job out of college?  Perhaps you should watch the news and listen to employers discuss the lack of work ethic most of their 20-30 something year old employees possess and the fat that foreign graduates are more desirable candidates as they work harder and are more grateful for the work given to them.  Our American lifestyles are too lavish and irresponsible to keep up with our struggling economy.  Perhaps you should sell your oversized SUV and save the money on car payments and gas to take public transportation instead (or purchase a used, more economical vehicle).  Perhaps your rent or mortgage payments are too high and you should have shopped around for something more in your budget?  As Americans we all love to possess things and we covet our vacations and possessions above all else, but if we had to take out money for student loans then maybe we should do what everyone else in my family and extended family has done:  stay at home until you pay a large portion of it off, THEN go out and rent on your own and have a pseudo Hollywood lifestyle.  

Intelligence is a terrible thing to sacrifice.  Don&#039;t blame &quot;going to college&quot; for the student loan crisis.  Blame our government for being irresponsible with its budget and funds and for screwing the middle class as much as possible.  It&#039;s not the middle and lower classes benefiting from the FAFSA, nor the very poor (they just aren&#039;t going to college period) it&#039;s those who can afford an accountant or other financial advisor who knows how to manipulate the system.  Blame colleges for being too greedy and for putting all of their basketball and football stars on full ride scholarships, paying for their housing and giving them cars, while telling struggling students &quot;Sorry, there&#039;s nothing we can do for you.&quot;  There needs to be more responsibility taken by Universities and the government.  For instance, Northwestern has taken a novel approach in telling its students that it will no longer allow them to borrow more than (I believe) 20,000 dollars in student loans - beyond that, they will fill in the tuition gaps in order to prevent their students from going too far into debt.  Plenty of colleges can do this, they just don&#039;t want to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that I vehemently disagree with those of you who insist college is not necessary.  I took time off from school after three years and scoured Chicagoland for any sort of full time job, not even being picky, and the only sorts of jobs I found that would hire someone without a bachelor&#8217;s degree were: Postal Delivery Person, waiting tables, hotel clerk, and other minimum to very low wage jobs with zero health or retirement benefits.  I am an fairly intelligent and capable person with strong work experience behind me (having worked two jobs throughout my entire first years of college to help pay for tuition and rent) and yet I heard time and again, &#8220;Come back once you have your bachelor&#8217;s degree!&#8221; or &#8220;If you had a college education you&#8217;d be a desirable candidate.&#8221;  After working and not being able to save anything off of the meager pittances I earned as a degree-less kid in the work force I made up my mind to go back to school and couldn&#8217;t be happier with my decision.  Right now I am struggling to find a private student loan to fill in where my (admittedly generous) grants from my school and federal loans weren&#8217;t sufficient, and as much as this pains me, I know it will be worth it.  The issue, I believe, is that students in America don&#8217;t take their educations as seriously as they should.  Higher education is a beautiful thing and extremely necessary.  Wonder why you can&#8217;t find a decent paying job out of college?  Perhaps you should watch the news and listen to employers discuss the lack of work ethic most of their 20-30 something year old employees possess and the fat that foreign graduates are more desirable candidates as they work harder and are more grateful for the work given to them.  Our American lifestyles are too lavish and irresponsible to keep up with our struggling economy.  Perhaps you should sell your oversized SUV and save the money on car payments and gas to take public transportation instead (or purchase a used, more economical vehicle).  Perhaps your rent or mortgage payments are too high and you should have shopped around for something more in your budget?  As Americans we all love to possess things and we covet our vacations and possessions above all else, but if we had to take out money for student loans then maybe we should do what everyone else in my family and extended family has done:  stay at home until you pay a large portion of it off, THEN go out and rent on your own and have a pseudo Hollywood lifestyle.  </p>
<p>Intelligence is a terrible thing to sacrifice.  Don&#8217;t blame &#8220;going to college&#8221; for the student loan crisis.  Blame our government for being irresponsible with its budget and funds and for screwing the middle class as much as possible.  It&#8217;s not the middle and lower classes benefiting from the FAFSA, nor the very poor (they just aren&#8217;t going to college period) it&#8217;s those who can afford an accountant or other financial advisor who knows how to manipulate the system.  Blame colleges for being too greedy and for putting all of their basketball and football stars on full ride scholarships, paying for their housing and giving them cars, while telling struggling students &#8220;Sorry, there&#8217;s nothing we can do for you.&#8221;  There needs to be more responsibility taken by Universities and the government.  For instance, Northwestern has taken a novel approach in telling its students that it will no longer allow them to borrow more than (I believe) 20,000 dollars in student loans &#8211; beyond that, they will fill in the tuition gaps in order to prevent their students from going too far into debt.  Plenty of colleges can do this, they just don&#8217;t want to.</p>
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		<title>By: How to Be a Frugal College Student &#124; Frugal Dad</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2008/04/01/are-student-loans-the-source-of-the-next-financial-meltdown/#comment-5759</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Be a Frugal College Student &#124; Frugal Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:03:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: leapetra</title>
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		<dc:creator>leapetra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The entire Student Loan industry should be shut down.  The amount of debt I have is equivalent to a mortgage debt.  Due to a few mistakes when I was in college and a loan consolidation that added my husbands on to mine (Thankfully we are still married, so we both can still pay on it).  My kids are getting close to college age.  I told them college is a must in this day and age, but if they take out even one loan, I will tear them a new one.

Luckily for them, there are a few programs offered by the local colleges that will give them almost a free ride through school.  They both have seen me and my husband struggle with the debt and the stigma attached.

When we went to college we were told by supposed people in the know that the loans were the best way, or go into the military.  I only started to heard about other solutions when I was a Junior.  

So basically we are stuck with a huge debt, nothing to show for it. (it wouldn&#039;t hurt so bad if the career I am in doesn&#039;t require a college degree to do.) It would be easy to say it was all our fault.  But too many colleges during my college years were pushing loans like they were drugs.  There are many people in my situation.  The problem is no one that can change the system wants to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The entire Student Loan industry should be shut down.  The amount of debt I have is equivalent to a mortgage debt.  Due to a few mistakes when I was in college and a loan consolidation that added my husbands on to mine (Thankfully we are still married, so we both can still pay on it).  My kids are getting close to college age.  I told them college is a must in this day and age, but if they take out even one loan, I will tear them a new one.</p>
<p>Luckily for them, there are a few programs offered by the local colleges that will give them almost a free ride through school.  They both have seen me and my husband struggle with the debt and the stigma attached.</p>
<p>When we went to college we were told by supposed people in the know that the loans were the best way, or go into the military.  I only started to heard about other solutions when I was a Junior.  </p>
<p>So basically we are stuck with a huge debt, nothing to show for it. (it wouldn&#8217;t hurt so bad if the career I am in doesn&#8217;t require a college degree to do.) It would be easy to say it was all our fault.  But too many colleges during my college years were pushing loans like they were drugs.  There are many people in my situation.  The problem is no one that can change the system wants to.</p>
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		<title>By: How to Pay for College?</title>
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