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	<title>Comments on: The Dave Ramsey Baby Steps</title>
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		<title>By: Do Not Follow the Government&#8217;s Lead By Bailing Out Others &#124; Frugal Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Do Not Follow the Government&#8217;s Lead By Bailing Out Others &#124; Frugal Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and the borrower&#8211;not a good relationship to have with a family member or friend.  Like Dave Ramsey says, &#8220;Thanksgiving dinner just doesn&#8217;t taste the [...]</description>
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<p>[...] and the borrower&#8211;not a good relationship to have with a family member or friend.  Like <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/thetotalmoneymakeover" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://frugaldad.com/recommends/thetotalmoneymakeover';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">Dave Ramsey</a> says, &#8220;Thanksgiving dinner just doesn&#8217;t taste the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to disagree with these steps. It seems to me that if you are having to keep using ALL of your emergency fund and dip into credit cards, then you have the worst luck in the world, or as Dave says, you really dont have emergencies, you just use it as an excuse to spend. I mean really, how many times have you had an emergency that cost you over a $1,000 and then another RIGHT after that before you could build back up your fund? 
 The 2nd step that is REALLY out of order is the debt snowball. The reason Dave says to do this number 2 to save you ALOT of money on intrest. The sooner you do this, the less you pay off. I know I would rather pay less than more.

To sum this all up, I guess if you feel the plan works well for you, then go for it. &quot;different strokes, for different folks.&quot; However, although I agree with this author regarding being careful taking advice from certain sources, Dave said it right when he said, &quot;Dont take advice from broke people! Now I am not saying this author is broke, but I would rather take advice from a proven millionaire and financial genious, then somebody that has a little extra time to post this....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to disagree with these steps. It seems to me that if you are having to keep using ALL of your emergency fund and dip into credit cards, then you have the worst luck in the world, or as Dave says, you really dont have emergencies, you just use it as an excuse to spend. I mean really, how many times have you had an emergency that cost you over a $1,000 and then another RIGHT after that before you could build back up your fund?<br />
 The 2nd step that is REALLY out of order is the debt snowball. The reason Dave says to do this number 2 to save you ALOT of money on intrest. The sooner you do this, the less you pay off. I know I would rather pay less than more.</p>
<p>To sum this all up, I guess if you feel the plan works well for you, then go for it. &#8220;different strokes, for different folks.&#8221; However, although I agree with this author regarding being careful taking advice from certain sources, Dave said it right when he said, &#8220;Dont take advice from broke people! Now I am not saying this author is broke, but I would rather take advice from a proven millionaire and financial genious, then somebody that has a little extra time to post this&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: IndianaTeacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndianaTeacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 22:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You write, &quot;For us to save a year&#039;s expenses would take us a 3 years! I’m not going to wait that long to get out of debt.&quot; No, I wouldn&#039;t either until the debt was gone, and I didn&#039;t until my house was paid off. (Luckily, I never had too much debt to begin with. My parents paid for most of my education, and in Grad. school I worked as a Graduate Teaching Fellow and was able to get my Masters without debt as well.) I was just saying that I don&#039;t feel comfortable with less in savings, not that everyone should set that much money aside. I&#039;m sure the fact that I&#039;m a single parent (widowed) and the major source of income also means that I need to have more savings than a two-income family. It seems you have done really well paying off debt, and I&#039;m sure you will reach your goals. You seem pretty savvy when it comes to money, and you set goals - which means you&#039;re half-way there. Well, it&#039;s always nice to meet the real people behind those user names. You have a great blog here. I&#039;ll visit from time to time, and perhaps we&#039;ll talk on twitter. (I follow your messages there.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You write, &#8220;For us to save a year&#8217;s expenses would take us a 3 years! I’m not going to wait that long to <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/debtgoal" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://debtgoal.com';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">get out of debt</a>.&#8221; No, I wouldn&#8217;t either until the debt was gone, and I didn&#8217;t until my house was paid off. (Luckily, I never had too much debt to begin with. My parents paid for most of my education, and in Grad. school I worked as a Graduate Teaching Fellow and was able to get my Masters without debt as well.) I was just saying that I don&#8217;t feel comfortable with less in savings, not that everyone should set that much money aside. I&#8217;m sure the fact that I&#8217;m a single parent (widowed) and the major source of income also means that I need to have more savings than a two-income family. It seems you have done really well <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/debtgoal" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://debtgoal.com';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">paying off debt</a>, and I&#8217;m sure you will reach your goals. You seem pretty savvy when it comes to money, and you set goals &#8211; which means you&#8217;re half-way there. Well, it&#8217;s always nice to meet the real people behind those user names. You have a great blog here. I&#8217;ll visit from time to time, and perhaps we&#8217;ll talk on twitter. (I follow your messages there.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kenny Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenny Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 19:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IndianaTeacher,

See, it goes to show how everyone&#039;s circumstances are different. My wife and I got into a real hole after she had lost her job and was pregnant with our son. She was out of work for nearly a year (people aren&#039;t eager to hire a pregnant woman). Our finances were devasted. We racked up $45k in debt (all consumer debt) -- about $30k of that in credit cards. We were barely getting by. 

When she finally returned to work, our debt obligation was so high, we barely had enough to cover costs. I sold a bunch of stuff and got a $1000 emergency fund -- which came in handy, because I soon needed to do car repairs, then later I owed taxes.

We currently only have $1500 in saving, which feels good. For us to save a years expenses would take us a 3 years! I&#039;m not going to wait that long to get out of debt. 

In the last year, since we started paying down debt (and cutting up our cards), we&#039;ve paid of over $11k in debt -- about 25% of our peak balance. We&#039;ve paid of one medical bill and one credit card completely and have not incurred any additional debt. 

I think Ramsey helped a lot with giving some practical advice and motivation. 

My goal is to have both my cars paid off in the next year -- which would, alone, reduce our monthly obligations by a minimum of $420/mo. 

I definitely disagree with Ramsey about a few things. I will keep a credit card when our finances are better. I do want to keep a good FICO. I also think some debt is ok (mortgage and education).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IndianaTeacher,</p>
<p>See, it goes to show how everyone&#8217;s circumstances are different. My wife and I got into a real hole after she had lost her job and was pregnant with our son. She was out of work for nearly a year (people aren&#8217;t eager to hire a pregnant woman). Our finances were devasted. We racked up $45k in debt (all consumer debt) &#8212; about $30k of that in credit cards. We were barely getting by. </p>
<p>When she finally returned to work, our debt obligation was so high, we barely had enough to cover costs. I sold a bunch of stuff and got a $1000 emergency fund &#8212; which came in handy, because I soon needed to do car repairs, then later I owed <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/turbotax" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://turbotax.com';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">taxes</a>.</p>
<p>We currently only have $1500 in saving, which feels good. For us to save a years expenses would take us a 3 years! I&#8217;m not going to wait that long to <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/debtgoal" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://debtgoal.com';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">get out of debt</a>. </p>
<p>In the last year, since we started paying down debt (and cutting up our cards), we&#8217;ve paid of over $11k in debt &#8212; about 25% of our peak balance. We&#8217;ve paid of one medical bill and one credit card completely and have not incurred any additional debt. </p>
<p>I think Ramsey helped a lot with giving some practical advice and motivation. </p>
<p>My goal is to have both my cars paid off in the next year &#8212; which would, alone, reduce our monthly obligations by a minimum of $420/mo. </p>
<p>I definitely disagree with Ramsey about a few things. I will keep a credit card when our finances are better. I do want to keep a good FICO. I also think some debt is ok (mortgage and education).</p>
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		<title>By: IndianaTeacher</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2008/05/29/the-dave-ramsey-baby-steps-everybodys-a-critic/comment-page-1/#comment-29654</link>
		<dc:creator>IndianaTeacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 09:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting blog. I agree people should never follow any &quot;plan&quot; without adapting it to their needs first. Ramsey&#039;s &quot;baby-steps,&quot; (at least steps 1-3) are certainly very logical; but then, there is really only one way to pay off debt: PAYING IT OFF. The size of the emergency fund, of course, depends on each family&#039;s circumstances. I don&#039;t feel comfortable unless I have a 12-month em. fund (including Cobra payments) even though I enjoy high job security. Steps 4-6 make sense as well, but the order is not that important. I paid off my mortgage before really turbocharging my retirement savings (while my friends lost their money in tech stocks) and would have done so even if I had known about Dave Ramsey then. I also think that saving 15% for retirement is not enough. Step 7 (&quot;build wealth and give”) is more an afterthought than any real “step,” and Ramsey’s investment advice is generic (”a good growth-stock mutual fund”) and flawed. Assuming the stock market returns 12% on average, he repeatedly tells people to take out 8% of their retirement funds annually. That is TWICE as much as anyone else recommends. Anyone following that “advice,” especially in this market, would definitely outlive his money. People seeking investment advice should read Money Magazine or Kiplinger or perhaps this blog.:-) Anyone knowing his way around the 72t distribution is more sophisticated than the average investor.:-) 

I&#039;m surprised that almost everyone here seems ready to cut up his credit cards; I think Ramsey’s take on credit cards is illogical. Calling everyone who’s using a credit card “stupid,” is stupid. Sure, people with $30k cc debt and those who feel &quot;out of control&quot; around them need to cut up their cards, but people who pay off the balance every month can obviously handle them. I understand that it is possible to get by without credit and a good FICO score, but why make life more difficult than it has to be?! After all, even with the best intentions of living debt-free forever, there may come a time a loan is necessary.

However, pointing out shortcomings in Ramsey&#039;s approach does not mean that I don&#039;t appreciate the man. Ramsey&#039;s real strength is not the baby steps or their exact order; his strength is the enthusiastic support he provides to people hopelessly mired in debt. He acknowledges their struggle, gives them a “community,” and even provides a celebration if they succeed (debt-free scream). That is what draws people to his show. His compassion is quite apparent, and I believe he does change lives. Support communities for people who embrace debt-free living and frugality have always existed, and they are important. I was once inspired by the book “Your Money or Your Life” (by Robin and Dominguez), but I have never seen a champion of debt-free living like Dave Ramsey. In that respect he’s my kindred spirit, and I am thrilled that he is making this concept cool. He helps changing the attitude toward debt in this country, and that is definitely worth something!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting blog. I agree people should never follow any &#8220;plan&#8221; without adapting it to their needs first. Ramsey&#8217;s &#8220;baby-steps,&#8221; (at least steps 1-3) are certainly very logical; but then, there is really only one way to pay off debt: PAYING IT OFF. The size of the emergency fund, of course, depends on each family&#8217;s circumstances. I don&#8217;t feel comfortable unless I have a 12-month em. fund (including Cobra payments) even though I enjoy high job security. Steps 4-6 make sense as well, but the order is not that important. I paid off my mortgage before really turbocharging my retirement savings (while my friends lost their money in tech stocks) and would have done so even if I had known about <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/thetotalmoneymakeover" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://frugaldad.com/recommends/thetotalmoneymakeover';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">Dave Ramsey</a> then. I also think that saving 15% for retirement is not enough. Step 7 (&#8221;build wealth and give”) is more an afterthought than any real “step,” and Ramsey’s investment advice is generic (”a good growth-stock mutual fund”) and flawed. Assuming the stock market returns 12% on average, he repeatedly tells people to take out 8% of their retirement funds annually. That is TWICE as much as anyone else recommends. Anyone following that “advice,” especially in this market, would definitely outlive his money. People seeking investment advice should read Money Magazine or Kiplinger or perhaps this blog.:-) Anyone knowing his way around the 72t distribution is more sophisticated than the average investor.:-) </p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised that almost everyone here seems ready to cut up his credit cards; I think Ramsey’s take on credit cards is illogical. Calling everyone who’s using a credit card “stupid,” is stupid. Sure, people with $30k cc debt and those who feel &#8220;out of control&#8221; around them need to cut up their cards, but people who pay off the balance every month can obviously handle them. I understand that it is possible to get by without credit and a good <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/myfico" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://myfico.com';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">FICO score</a>, but why make life more difficult than it has to be?! After all, even with the best intentions of living debt-free forever, there may come a time a loan is necessary.</p>
<p>However, pointing out shortcomings in Ramsey&#8217;s approach does not mean that I don&#8217;t appreciate the man. Ramsey&#8217;s real strength is not the baby steps or their exact order; his strength is the enthusiastic support he provides to people hopelessly mired in debt. He acknowledges their struggle, gives them a “community,” and even provides a celebration if they succeed (debt-free scream). That is what draws people to his show. His compassion is quite apparent, and I believe he does change lives. Support communities for people who embrace debt-free living and frugality have always existed, and they are important. I was once inspired by the book “Your Money or Your Life” (by Robin and Dominguez), but I have never seen a champion of debt-free living like Dave Ramsey. In that respect he’s my kindred spirit, and I am thrilled that he is making this concept cool. He helps changing the attitude toward debt in this country, and that is definitely worth something!</p>
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		<title>By: The Proper Rate Of Savings &#124; Frugal Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Proper Rate Of Savings &#124; Frugal Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 17:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dave Ramsey, the popular radio and television talk show host, advocates putting aside 15% of your income towards retirement. Using our last example, that would be $7,500 a year on a $50,000 income, or $625 a month. Dropping $625 a month across your 401(k) and maybe a Roth IRA seems like a good idea, but it will be hard to pull off if you have an over-sized mortgage, credit card debt, or a couple car loans. That&#8217;s why Ramsey advises listeners to get out of debt and save a cash emergency fund first. [...]</description>
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<p>[...] <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/thetotalmoneymakeover" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://frugaldad.com/recommends/thetotalmoneymakeover';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">Dave Ramsey</a>, the popular radio and television talk show host, advocates putting aside 15% of your income towards retirement. Using our last example, that would be $7,500 a year on a $50,000 income, or $625 a month. Dropping $625 a month across your 401(k) and maybe a Roth IRA seems like a good idea, but it will be hard to pull off if you have an over-sized mortgage, credit card debt, or a couple car loans. That&#8217;s why Ramsey advises listeners to <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/debtgoal" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://debtgoal.com';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">get out of debt</a> and save a cash emergency fund first. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Size Matters When It Comes To Emergency Funds &#124; Frugal Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Size Matters When It Comes To Emergency Funds &#124; Frugal Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is represented by $1,000 in a savings account.  This first $1,000 in savings is the first of seven financial baby steps recommended by Ramsey, but over the years of putting his plan in action we&#8217;ve found this [...]</description>
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<p>[...] is represented by $1,000 in a <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/allybank" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://allybank.com';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">savings account</a>.  This first $1,000 in savings is the first of seven financial baby steps recommended by Ramsey, but over the years of putting his plan in action we&#8217;ve found this [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rob in Madrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob in Madrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Nov 2008 09:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mary I agree, I&#039;ve switched (pretty much anyways) over to cash. And there is nothing like cash in the bank. My sister in law while trying to get out of debt still runs everything through her HELC and I keep saying she´d spend less if she spent cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary I agree, I&#8217;ve switched (pretty much anyways) over to cash. And there is nothing like cash in the bank. My sister in law while trying to <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/debtgoal" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://debtgoal.com';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">get out of debt</a> still runs everything through her HELC and I keep saying she´d spend less if she spent cash.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 18:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry but I don&#039;t agree with keeping a credit card for genuine emergencies.  We kept one (and did get out of all debt) but gradually got back into debt.  We read Dave&#039;s book, attended FPU and decided Dave was right.  We needed to have an emergency fund not a credit card.  We&#039;re out of debt again and this time by God&#039;s grace and Dave&#039;s wisdom, we hope to stay that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but I don&#8217;t agree with keeping a credit card for genuine emergencies.  We kept one (and did get out of all debt) but gradually got back into debt.  We read Dave&#8217;s book, attended FPU and decided Dave was right.  We needed to have an emergency fund not a credit card.  We&#8217;re out of debt again and this time by God&#8217;s grace and Dave&#8217;s wisdom, we hope to stay that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Credit Card Minimum Payments, More or Less &#124; Frugal Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Credit Card Minimum Payments, More or Less &#124; Frugal Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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