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		<title>By: Amy @ The Q Family</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy @ The Q Family</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 02:42:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m no expert in financial. I just wonder what is the alternative than the plan right now. Doing nothing? I agree about individual who can&#039;t afford a loan shouldn&#039;t get a loan. I even don&#039;t believe in car loan. But how about small businesses that try to run their business but can&#039;t get a loan to stay afloat. What is your opinion on that aspect? It seems that the problem is not confined to just wall street. Small business, mid-sized business, big business seems to be impact by the credit freeze. Can the economy survive it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m no expert in financial. I just wonder what is the alternative than the plan right now. Doing nothing? I agree about individual who can&#8217;t afford a loan shouldn&#8217;t get a loan. I even don&#8217;t believe in car loan. But how about small businesses that try to run their business but can&#8217;t get a loan to stay afloat. What is your opinion on that aspect? It seems that the problem is not confined to just wall street. Small business, mid-sized business, big business seems to be impact by the credit freeze. Can the economy survive it?</p>
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		<title>By: We Live In Turbulent Times - Roundup &#124; Bible Money Matters</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2008/09/29/we-dont-need-no-stinking-bailout-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-7827</link>
		<dc:creator>We Live In Turbulent Times - Roundup &#124; Bible Money Matters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Hard Times Ahead: How To Survive When The Going Gets Tough &#124; My Super-Charged Life</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 13:35:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Financial Illiteracy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Financial Illiteracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this from another board and another poster

This is not a bailout of wall street. It’s a “funding” of the US Economy.
More than likely, according to Warren Buffett, the government will make money on this transaction.

Credit is the lifeblood of any economy. If Credit doesn’t flow, economy stops, people loose jobs, less tax revenue…you can see where this goes

Couldn&#039;t have said it better myself, the US (and the rest of us) are in for some serious pain. Another Great Depression no, a long deep recession yes.</description>
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<p>This is not a bailout of wall street. It’s a “funding” of the US Economy.<br />
More than likely, according to Warren Buffett, the government will make money on this transaction.</p>
<p>Credit is the lifeblood of any economy. If Credit doesn’t flow, economy stops, people loose jobs, less tax revenue…you can see where this goes</p>
<p>Couldn&#8217;t have said it better myself, the US (and the rest of us) are in for some serious pain. Another Great Depression no, a long deep recession yes.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob O.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob O.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know it&#039;s meant in fun, but there is certainly some very real merit to this:

http://consumerist.com/consumer/clips/snl-skit-dont-buy-stuff-you-cant-afford-252491.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know it&#8217;s meant in fun, but there is certainly some very real merit to this:</p>
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		<title>By: Do Not Follow the Government&#8217;s Lead By Bailing Out Others &#124; Frugal Dad</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2008/09/29/we-dont-need-no-stinking-bailout-plan/comment-page-1/#comment-7756</link>
		<dc:creator>Do Not Follow the Government&#8217;s Lead By Bailing Out Others &#124; Frugal Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 18:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the news over the past couple weeks has been dominated by the financial markets, specifically the $700 billion bailout plan proposed by the current administration.  There are many personal finance lessons to be learned [...]</description>
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<p>[...] the news over the past couple weeks has been dominated by the financial markets, specifically the $700 billion bailout plan proposed by the current administration.  There are many personal finance lessons to be learned [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frugal Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 17:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DavidK:  I share the same doubts, and your assessment that they have oversimplified a rather complex idea.  Since I&#039;m more of a free market idea, I am drawn to such big ideas, but admit it would take a lot of logistical maneuvering to pull off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DavidK:  I share the same doubts, and your assessment that they have oversimplified a rather complex idea.  Since I&#8217;m more of a free market idea, I am drawn to such big ideas, but admit it would take a lot of logistical maneuvering to pull off.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidK</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well one thing I definitely do not understand is how the billionaires would actually fund it. People like Cuban and Warren Buffet (one of the richest in the world) don&#039;t have actual cash to lend. For instance, most of Buffet&#039;s money is in stock. Stocks, like antiques, are only worth anything if you can find someone to buy them. It&#039;s even worse for stock as they are only valued if the company stays in business. If one of Buffet&#039;s major share portions were to take a dive, then he would basically fall off the &quot;50 Richest&quot; lists quite quickly. (Perhaps I&#039;m missing something simple here -- I admit that I do not have a degree in finance or anything.)

I am doubtful to believe suggestions made by many in a time such as this. I believe it is far too complex an issue to be understood or even easily solved at a moment&#039;s notice. Though people like Cuban and Buffet are intelligent investors, they still base their thought processes on a thriving market and a free economy. If the gov. steps in, the rules change. They change in ways that no one can imagine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well one thing I definitely do not understand is how the billionaires would actually fund it. People like Cuban and Warren Buffet (one of the richest in the world) don&#8217;t have actual cash to lend. For instance, most of Buffet&#8217;s money is in stock. Stocks, like antiques, are only worth anything if you can find someone to buy them. It&#8217;s even worse for stock as they are only valued if the company stays in business. If one of Buffet&#8217;s major share portions were to take a dive, then he would basically fall off the &#8220;50 Richest&#8221; lists quite quickly. (Perhaps I&#8217;m missing something simple here &#8212; I admit that I do not have a degree in finance or anything.)</p>
<p>I am doubtful to believe suggestions made by many in a time such as this. I believe it is far too complex an issue to be understood or even easily solved at a moment&#8217;s notice. Though people like Cuban and Buffet are intelligent investors, they still base their thought processes on a thriving market and a free economy. If the gov. steps in, the rules change. They change in ways that no one can imagine.</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frugal Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw Mark Cuban being interviewed on the Fox Business Channel over the weekend and he had an interesting idea.  What if he, and other billionaires, put up some of this $700 billion money privately, holding it in an exchange traded fund people could buy in to, and receive dividends from.  Paulson and team would essentially roll all this bad debt into an ETF and put it out to the market for investment (funding).  

On the surface, it sounded like a much better plan than taxpayers supplying a loan to these finance companies, with any repayments going back into the government&#039;s coffers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw Mark Cuban being interviewed on the Fox Business Channel over the weekend and he had an interesting idea.  What if he, and other billionaires, put up some of this $700 billion money privately, holding it in an exchange traded fund people could buy in to, and receive dividends from.  Paulson and team would essentially roll all this bad debt into an ETF and put it out to the market for investment (funding).  </p>
<p>On the surface, it sounded like a much better plan than taxpayers supplying a loan to these finance companies, with any repayments going back into the government&#8217;s coffers.</p>
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		<title>By: Squeaky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squeaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 15:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m furious about the bailout.  For a while I hoped that Congress would do what it does best (that is to say, nothing) while the rest of us ride this storm out.  Then I read in the news that it looks like the bailout is on.  All I could say was... &quot;I ate beans and rice for THIS?&quot;

The sick part of it is, there aren&#039;t THAT many foreclosures.  The news accounts I read suggest that ALL sub-prime mortgages are in default, which isn&#039;t the case.  The vast majority of them are not: they&#039;re doing as we do, and paying down the debt while they climb out of whatever bad state of affairs knocked them into the sub-prime category to begin with.  Yes, the national foreclosure rate is higher than it&#039;s been in a while, and yes, the rate is higher still on subprime loans, but we&#039;re still talking about a single-digit number.  How is it that a single-digit number in foreclosure ratio is turning into a double-digit or triple-digit number in stock gain or loss percentage and a NINE TO TEN digit number in terms of Uncle Sam dipping into my pocketbook?  I&#039;m seeing some amplification here and I&#039;m not believing it.

Even with a 5% default rate it&#039;s important to remember that 95% of mortgages in that category are good, and some are creating a heftier return on investment because the interest rate is bigger.  If they were my investments, I would simply comb through them, separate the people with a good record from those with a bad record, and cull the herd.  In a field stuffed with Harvard and Yale graduates, I&#039;m not understanding why thinning the herd hasn&#039;t occurred to someone else.

My own mortgage, for example, is a nice, shiny little nugget of an investment for somebody.  There&#039;s never been a late payment, in fact I send in extra payments.

Add to this credit cards, car loans, and other sources of income that banks have, and there may still be a slight net loss but it shouldn&#039;t be enough to break the bank.

I&#039;m thinking that all the conniptions over subprime mortgages are artificial.  The timing of this drama is really, really dubious.  I&#039;m starting to suspect that there&#039;s no real crisis at all.  We&#039;ve amazingly survived this last couple weeks while Congress hemmed and hawed.  Nobody has taken a giant eraser and wiped cities off the map.  I&#039;m thinking that we could get by indefinitely without a bailout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m furious about the bailout.  For a while I hoped that Congress would do what it does best (that is to say, nothing) while the rest of us ride this storm out.  Then I read in the news that it looks like the bailout is on.  All I could say was&#8230; &#8220;I ate beans and rice for THIS?&#8221;</p>
<p>The sick part of it is, there aren&#8217;t THAT many foreclosures.  The news accounts I read suggest that ALL sub-prime mortgages are in default, which isn&#8217;t the case.  The vast majority of them are not: they&#8217;re doing as we do, and paying down the debt while they climb out of whatever bad state of affairs knocked them into the sub-prime category to begin with.  Yes, the national foreclosure rate is higher than it&#8217;s been in a while, and yes, the rate is higher still on subprime loans, but we&#8217;re still talking about a single-digit number.  How is it that a single-digit number in foreclosure ratio is turning into a double-digit or triple-digit number in stock gain or loss percentage and a NINE TO TEN digit number in terms of Uncle Sam dipping into my pocketbook?  I&#8217;m seeing some amplification here and I&#8217;m not believing it.</p>
<p>Even with a 5% default rate it&#8217;s important to remember that 95% of mortgages in that category are good, and some are creating a heftier return on investment because the interest rate is bigger.  If they were my investments, I would simply comb through them, separate the people with a good record from those with a bad record, and cull the herd.  In a field stuffed with Harvard and Yale graduates, I&#8217;m not understanding why thinning the herd hasn&#8217;t occurred to someone else.</p>
<p>My own mortgage, for example, is a nice, shiny little nugget of an investment for somebody.  There&#8217;s never been a late payment, in fact I send in extra payments.</p>
<p>Add to this credit cards, car loans, and other sources of income that banks have, and there may still be a slight net loss but it shouldn&#8217;t be enough to break the bank.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thinking that all the conniptions over subprime mortgages are artificial.  The timing of this drama is really, really dubious.  I&#8217;m starting to suspect that there&#8217;s no real crisis at all.  We&#8217;ve amazingly survived this last couple weeks while Congress hemmed and hawed.  Nobody has taken a giant eraser and wiped cities off the map.  I&#8217;m thinking that we could get by indefinitely without a bailout.</p>
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