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	<title>Comments on: An Interactive Definition Of Upper, Middle, and Lower Class</title>
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		<title>By: Rajeev SIngh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rajeev SIngh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 14:10:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post... Education degree is not an indicator of class in India as there are hundreds and thousands of graduates and post graduates who are either unemployed or underemployed.. here money is the real indicator... Debt though is not such a great problem with most of the people..interesting to know how things differ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post&#8230; Education degree is not an indicator of class in India as there are hundreds and thousands of graduates and post graduates who are either unemployed or underemployed.. here money is the real indicator&#8230; Debt though is not such a great problem with most of the people..interesting to know how things differ..</p>
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		<title>By: Michele</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, it says I am in the top fifth overall.  And here I am shopping at thrift stores! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, it says I am in the top fifth overall.  And here I am shopping at thrift stores! <img src='http://frugaldad.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dana Booth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dana Booth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 18:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concur with Neal and Squeaky.  I did see where the chart would put us and it was all over the board.  I think it does speak volumes that it puts our income as upper middle class yet we barely make our bills and get food on the table (and I cook our meals 99% of the time).  Our rent is extravagent but our house is far from it (2br,2ba) and our soso health insurance just increased by $130/month bringing it to almost $850/mo!  I don&#039;t feel anywhere close to &quot;upper middle&quot;.  I&#039;m currently job hunting (interview tomorrow!) not because I want to, but because I have to.  I would much rather stay at home with the kids (3, 5, and 7).

It is also irksome to me that the NY Times would even try and parse us out into classes rather than trying to bring people together.  They obviously haven&#039;t taken home the lesson of increased popularity in Twitter and other social media.  People want to be brought together as a community, not divided up into classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur with Neal and Squeaky.  I did see where the chart would put us and it was all over the board.  I think it does speak volumes that it puts our income as upper middle class yet we barely make our bills and get food on the table (and I cook our meals 99% of the time).  Our rent is extravagent but our house is far from it (2br,2ba) and our soso <a href="http://frugaldad.com/offers/healthinsurance" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://frugaldad.com/offers/healthinsurance';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">health insurance</a> just increased by $130/month bringing it to almost $850/mo!  I don&#8217;t feel anywhere close to &#8220;upper middle&#8221;.  I&#8217;m currently job hunting (interview tomorrow!) not because I want to, but because I have to.  I would much rather stay at home with the kids (3, 5, and 7).</p>
<p>It is also irksome to me that the NY Times would even try and parse us out into classes rather than trying to bring people together.  They obviously haven&#8217;t taken home the lesson of increased popularity in Twitter and other social media.  People want to be brought together as a community, not divided up into classes.</p>
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		<title>By: Squeaky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Squeaky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 15:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was always under the impression that class had more to do with manners and decisions than wealth.  According to my grandmother, class was about how people treated one another.  Different classes have different standards and traditions.

For example, in some classes it&#039;s acceptable for people to shout at each other or to use certain kinds of unprintable language.  In others, it&#039;s not that shouting or bad language doesn&#039;t exist, but it&#039;s the exception to the rule and if it happens, something bad is going on.  Also, given an unlimited supply of money, people from different classes make different choices about what to wear, how to decorate the home, whether they will work, etc.

Simply making a person wealthy (or taking all his or hear wealth away) does not give the person courtesy or consideration if they lack it.  Nor will it take away the ingrained habits of a lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was always under the impression that class had more to do with manners and decisions than wealth.  According to my grandmother, class was about how people treated one another.  Different classes have different standards and traditions.</p>
<p>For example, in some classes it&#8217;s acceptable for people to shout at each other or to use certain kinds of unprintable language.  In others, it&#8217;s not that shouting or bad language doesn&#8217;t exist, but it&#8217;s the exception to the rule and if it happens, something bad is going on.  Also, given an unlimited supply of money, people from different classes make different choices about what to wear, how to decorate the home, whether they will work, etc.</p>
<p>Simply making a person wealthy (or taking all his or hear wealth away) does not give the person courtesy or consideration if they lack it.  Nor will it take away the ingrained habits of a lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: marci</title>
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		<dc:creator>marci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found the graph interesting - mostly in that I am all over the board :)    What they failed to take into account is the cost of living in the area a person lives in. Meaning, it doesn&#039;t take much here, so I do fine.

What amazed me is that while my job and education put me in upper middle, my income (by my choice I earn very little) puts me in lower middle.   And then - it amazed me that ANYONE WITH OVER $100,000 in Net worth is in the TOP FIFTH!!!???  Doesn&#039;t take much these days to be in the top 5th then!           So guess it doesn&#039;t matter that my income is in the lower bracket as long as my net worth is in the Top Fifth....  I have always felt that net worth was a better indicator than income.   Of course, I feel that way due to my frugal nature :) 

Seems like there are too many factors that are not taken into account - and it doesn&#039;t really matter to me anyway what others think :)  It was interesting and thought provoking to look at tho - thanks for the link!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found the graph interesting &#8211; mostly in that I am all over the board <img src='http://frugaldad.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />     What they failed to take into account is the cost of living in the area a person lives in. Meaning, it doesn&#8217;t take much here, so I do fine.</p>
<p>What amazed me is that while my job and education put me in upper middle, my income (by my choice I earn very little) puts me in lower middle.   And then &#8211; it amazed me that ANYONE WITH OVER $100,000 in Net worth is in the TOP FIFTH!!!???  Doesn&#8217;t take much these days to be in the top 5th then!           So guess it doesn&#8217;t matter that my income is in the lower bracket as long as my net worth is in the Top Fifth&#8230;.  I have always felt that net worth was a better indicator than income.   Of course, I feel that way due to my frugal nature <img src='http://frugaldad.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Seems like there are too many factors that are not taken into account &#8211; and it doesn&#8217;t really matter to me anyway what others think <img src='http://frugaldad.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   It was interesting and thought provoking to look at tho &#8211; thanks for the link!</p>
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		<title>By: Neal@Wealth Pilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal@Wealth Pilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FD,

Well said.  I never thought about this concept of &quot;class fate&quot; but it makes sense.  

As we focus on putting on label on ourselves, we kind of reinforce it....don&#039;t we?

I imagine the the aristocracy of old are the people who invented these concepts to keep themselves above us all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FD,</p>
<p>Well said.  I never thought about this concept of &#8220;class fate&#8221; but it makes sense.  </p>
<p>As we focus on putting on label on ourselves, we kind of reinforce it&#8230;.don&#8217;t we?</p>
<p>I imagine the the aristocracy of old are the people who invented these concepts to keep themselves above us all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheila</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 14:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t looked at the article yet, but I will just out of curiousity.

However, my family is well-clothed, well-fed and well-sheltered so I think we are well-classed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t looked at the article yet, but I will just out of curiousity.</p>
<p>However, my family is well-clothed, well-fed and well-sheltered so I think we are well-classed.</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frugal Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Neal:  I actually agree with you, and was hoping readers would sort of come to that conclusion without me going into a rant (you probably saw rant warning signs throughout!).  Thanks for doing some of it for me.

After looking at the tool more I really think its design is to support a theory that mobility up and down is somewhat out of our hands.  Which is to say we don&#039;t control at least some of our own destiny. I don&#039;t subscribe to that line of thinking.

Sure, we can all be dealt bad luck, but the fact we are free to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and become a success in spite of our circumstances is what makes us great.</description>
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<p>@Neal:  I actually agree with you, and was hoping readers would sort of come to that conclusion without me going into a rant (you probably saw rant warning signs throughout!).  Thanks for doing some of it for me.</p>
<p>After looking at the tool more I really think its design is to support a theory that mobility up and down is somewhat out of our hands.  Which is to say we don&#8217;t control at least some of our own destiny. I don&#8217;t subscribe to that line of thinking.</p>
<p>Sure, we can all be dealt bad luck, but the fact we are free to pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and become a success in spite of our circumstances is what makes us great.</p>
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		<title>By: Neal@Wealth Pilgrim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neal@Wealth Pilgrim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all due love and respect, I don&#039;t care what&quot;class&quot; the NY Times puts me in.

It&#039;s interesting to note which class we are in on one hand, yet it could be harmful to focus on. (I know you aren&#039;t focusing on it of course...)

I see the problem even thinking about it is that it puts (at least me) in a competitive state.  &quot;He&#039;s upper upper middle and I&#039;m only middle class&quot; or whatever.

Other than letting us see how we fare against others, what&#039;s the use of it?  And if we spend any energy comparing ourselves to others, it&#039;s gong to be a losing game.

FWIW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all due love and respect, I don&#8217;t care what&#8221;class&#8221; the NY Times puts me in.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting to note which class we are in on one hand, yet it could be harmful to focus on. (I know you aren&#8217;t focusing on it of course&#8230;)</p>
<p>I see the problem even thinking about it is that it puts (at least me) in a competitive state.  &#8220;He&#8217;s upper upper middle and I&#8217;m only middle class&#8221; or whatever.</p>
<p>Other than letting us see how we fare against others, what&#8217;s the use of it?  And if we spend any energy comparing ourselves to others, it&#8217;s gong to be a losing game.</p>
<p>FWIW</p>
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		<title>By: Gwynne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My chosen career puts me in middle class, my 2 years of college (I&#039;m going back this fall) puts me in upper middle class, my income puts me way, way down at the bottom 5th (less than 10k last year, not looking any better so far this year), and my wealth puts me in lower middle (I own my home, so that&#039;s considered a wealth asset, though I could never actually sell it, considering the area that it&#039;s in...)  So according to that interactive chart, I&#039;m somewhere in lower middle to middle class for an average.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My chosen career puts me in middle class, my 2 years of college (I&#8217;m going back this fall) puts me in upper middle class, my income puts me way, way down at the bottom 5th (less than 10k last year, not looking any better so far this year), and my wealth puts me in lower middle (I own my home, so that&#8217;s considered a wealth asset, though I could never actually sell it, considering the area that it&#8217;s in&#8230;)  So according to that interactive chart, I&#8217;m somewhere in lower middle to middle class for an average.</p>
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