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		<title>By: marci</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2009/06/11/cash-for-clunkers-program/comment-page-1/#comment-30300</link>
		<dc:creator>marci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alex - source is the government website.

Quote:  These certifications, which are legally binding on the disposal facility, include a certification that the CARS trade-in vehicle will be crushed or shredded onsite within 180 days of receipt of the vehicle, that all toxic or hazardous components will be removed and properly disposed of prior to crushing or shredding, and that the vehicle will not be transferred to any other disposal facility before it is crushed or shredded. 

Dealer must:  Obtain a sworn affidavit from a disposal facility that it has crushed or
shredded the vehicle, including the engine block, and provide supporting documents
sufficient to establish that fact.

CORRECTION:  
I stand corrected here and now tho... looking thru the small print, on page 51 of the 136 page document, it DOES state that:  During the six-month period prior to the required crushing or shredding of the trade-in vehicle, the disposal facility may sell any parts of the vehicle other than the engine block or drive train.

MY APOLOGIES FOR THE MISINFORMAITON: Learned something new today :)   
  We were going by the top paragraph, which is the certification given to the dismantlers that states it must be crushed or shredded etc..... There is NO mention in the dismantlers certification papers that parts may be taken!!!
Therein lies the confusion!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex &#8211; source is the government website.</p>
<p>Quote:  These certifications, which are legally binding on the disposal facility, include a certification that the CARS trade-in vehicle will be crushed or shredded onsite within 180 days of receipt of the vehicle, that all toxic or hazardous components will be removed and properly disposed of prior to crushing or shredding, and that the vehicle will not be transferred to any other disposal facility before it is crushed or shredded. </p>
<p>Dealer must:  Obtain a sworn affidavit from a disposal facility that it has crushed or<br />
shredded the vehicle, including the engine block, and provide supporting documents<br />
sufficient to establish that fact.</p>
<p>CORRECTION:<br />
I stand corrected here and now tho&#8230; looking thru the small print, on page 51 of the 136 page document, it DOES state that:  During the six-month period prior to the required crushing or shredding of the trade-in vehicle, the disposal facility may sell any parts of the vehicle other than the engine block or drive train.</p>
<p>MY APOLOGIES FOR THE MISINFORMAITON: Learned something new today <img src='http://frugaldad.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
  We were going by the top paragraph, which is the certification given to the dismantlers that states it must be crushed or shredded etc&#8230;.. There is NO mention in the dismantlers certification papers that parts may be taken!!!<br />
Therein lies the confusion!</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2009/06/11/cash-for-clunkers-program/comment-page-1/#comment-30291</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you have a source on that? I thought that only the engine and powertrain were destroyed; the scrap facility is allowed to sell all other parts until the car is crushed, whcih must be at most 180 days after acquisition.

The logic in destroying the engine is that it&#039;s the inefficient part, but wasting other parts is just stupid; they&#039;re not necessarily ineffecient.

As to the comment about new vs used, as has been pointed out before, consider that the $4500 is about what you lose in driving a new car off the lot. So the government subsidy makes it about equivalent to buy a new vs used car in terms of cost to you, if you&#039;re already in need of buying a car. Whether it&#039;s a good idea to use our tax dollars this way, however, I don&#039;t claim to be wise enough to understand. Economics is complicated on the macro level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you have a source on that? I thought that only the engine and powertrain were destroyed; the scrap facility is allowed to sell all other parts until the car is crushed, whcih must be at most 180 days after acquisition.</p>
<p>The logic in destroying the engine is that it&#8217;s the inefficient part, but wasting other parts is just stupid; they&#8217;re not necessarily ineffecient.</p>
<p>As to the comment about new vs used, as has been pointed out before, consider that the $4500 is about what you lose in driving a new car off the lot. So the government subsidy makes it about equivalent to buy a new vs used car in terms of cost to you, if you&#8217;re already in need of buying a car. Whether it&#8217;s a good idea to use our tax dollars this way, however, I don&#8217;t claim to be wise enough to understand. Economics is complicated on the macro level.</p>
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		<title>By: marci</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2009/06/11/cash-for-clunkers-program/comment-page-1/#comment-30289</link>
		<dc:creator>marci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 19:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cars have to go to a federally authorized shredder/cruncher/dismantler after the engines are blown up. Absolutely NO parts are allowed to be taken off of them, nor any parts recycled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cars have to go to a federally authorized shredder/cruncher/dismantler after the engines are blown up. Absolutely NO parts are allowed to be taken off of them, nor any parts recycled.</p>
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		<title>By: DC FROST</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2009/06/11/cash-for-clunkers-program/comment-page-1/#comment-30280</link>
		<dc:creator>DC FROST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CAN ANYONE TELL ME WERE THE CARS GO AND IF I CAN BE THE ONE TO RECYCLE THEM  (WERE ) DO THEY GO  AND WHO GET THE PROFET FOR THE CHOP SHOP ??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CAN ANYONE TELL ME WERE THE CARS GO AND IF I CAN BE THE ONE TO RECYCLE THEM  (WERE ) DO THEY GO  AND WHO GET THE PROFET FOR THE CHOP SHOP ??</p>
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		<title>By: Keep Your Cash, I Want My Clunker &#124; Frugal Dad</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2009/06/11/cash-for-clunkers-program/comment-page-1/#comment-30148</link>
		<dc:creator>Keep Your Cash, I Want My Clunker &#124; Frugal Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] My daughter is thinking about getting a new car and &#8220;taking advantage&#8221; of the &#8220;Cash for Clunkers&#8221; program (with my beloved Camry no less!).  I&#8217;m dead set against [...]</description>
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<p>[...] My daughter is thinking about getting a new car and &#8220;taking advantage&#8221; of the &#8220;Cash for Clunkers&#8221; program (with my beloved Camry no less!).  I&#8217;m dead set against [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sales Tax Holidays Another Spending Trap &#124; Frugal Dad</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2009/06/11/cash-for-clunkers-program/comment-page-1/#comment-29579</link>
		<dc:creator>Sales Tax Holidays Another Spending Trap &#124; Frugal Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 01:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] credit being offered. Others feel the tug of car fever driving them to car lots to trade in their clunkers for cash when their clunkers were getting them from A to B just [...]</description>
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<p>[...] credit being offered. Others feel the tug of car fever driving them to car lots to trade in their clunkers for cash when their clunkers were getting them from A to B just [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Weekly Roundup - Hands Off My Clunker Edition &#124; Frugal Dad</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2009/06/11/cash-for-clunkers-program/comment-page-1/#comment-29526</link>
		<dc:creator>Weekly Roundup - Hands Off My Clunker Edition &#124; Frugal Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] are now beginning to surface showing the destruction of perfectly good automobiles thanks to the cash for clunkers program. I fail to see the stimulative effects of disabling the engine of a car with thousands of [...]</description>
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<p>[...] are now beginning to surface showing the destruction of perfectly good automobiles thanks to the cash for clunkers program. I fail to see the stimulative effects of disabling the engine of a car with thousands of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2009/06/11/cash-for-clunkers-program/comment-page-1/#comment-29496</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 20:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a real pity that the /creation/ and /destruction/ of cars are generally far more damaging to the environment than the fuel saved. Even if money is no object and you just want to save the environment, you should buy used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a real pity that the /creation/ and /destruction/ of cars are generally far more damaging to the environment than the fuel saved. Even if money is no object and you just want to save the environment, you should buy used.</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal Dad</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2009/06/11/cash-for-clunkers-program/comment-page-1/#comment-29470</link>
		<dc:creator>Frugal Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:58:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Karen: The &quot;clunkers&quot; have to be destroyed, according to government regulations. You are correct, donating the cars to charitable organizations would make a lot of sense. But getting them out of service is the aim of this program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Karen: The &#8220;clunkers&#8221; have to be destroyed, according to government regulations. You are correct, donating the cars to charitable organizations would make a lot of sense. But getting them out of service is the aim of this program.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 15:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where are all these clunkers going.  I know of a few people that cannot afford to buy a car and would love to have one donated to them. We are not all blessed to have the extra money to save and buy an old car even if it only gets 18 miles to the gallon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where are all these clunkers going.  I know of a few people that cannot afford to buy a car and would love to have one donated to them. We are not all blessed to have the extra money to save and buy an old car even if it only gets 18 miles to the gallon.</p>
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