An Aged-Based Plan For Teaching Kids About Money

The June 2009 edition of Money magazine featured an article on how to Unspoil Your Kids. The article included an interesting chart outlining “What to Teach When,” as suggested by Jon and Eileen Gallo, authors of The Financially Intelligent Parent.

I like the idea of breaking up financial lessons by age group, recognizing of course that some kids “get it” before others, despite their age. For instance, my daughter is fairly money-savvy and back when she was just seven or eight could explain in adult terms what a mortgage was, how taxes were collected, etc. She probably got that from hanging out with her frugal dad.

My son, on the other hand, at five years-old, is more interested in a shiny penny than a paper dollar.  He’s yet to recognize the differences in currency (despite our best efforts). Actually, I think he does understand it on some level; he just likes shiny coins.  Who could blame him?

I’ll include the age brackets below, along with the suggested lessons from the Money article, but as usual, I put my frugal spin on the ideas as well.

Ages 5-9: Teach Basic Money Skills and Develop Work Ethic

Assign simple chores. Chores in the frugal household have evolved as the kids grew older. When both kids were small they were responsible for making their beds in the morning, and taking dirty clothes to the laundry room. My oldest, now ten, helps set the table, unload the dishwasher and put away dishes, put away clean laundry, and is still responsible for keeping up her own room.

Start a weekly allowance. The younger kids are the more often they should get paid, because budgeting any longer than a few days is hard to do (even for some adults!). As kids get older, stretch their paydays out a bit so they get used to stretching out those dollars, too. My daughter is paid allowance every other week on the same day I get paid.

Talk about money decisions and values. My blogging colleague at Moolanomy recently shared a great thought on avoiding the phrase, “We can’t afford it.” I like the concept, and have caught myself using that same excuse with my children. Be honest with kids and tell them that if you spend money on a new Wii game, you won’t have money for the grocery store. Life, and money, is about choices and the opportunity costs of making one choice over the other.

Introduce the idea of charity. The best way to make your kids givers is to lead by example. Take them along when volunteering (when possible), and encourage them to allocate some of their allowance to giving to a cause they care about.

Ages 10-13: Kick It Up a Notch With Skills and Responsibilities

Open a savings account. Every kids should have a basic savings account, complete with a ledger for recording transactions. It’s a great introduction to banking, and the idea of compound interest. Help kids complete deposit slips initially, but encourage them to complete deposit slips themselves, keep up the receipt, and record it in their ledger at home.

Offer extra chores as a way to earn money. My kids often bring me a sales flier they’ve found sitting around and say, “I really, really want this new (insert latest Disney movie, lego set, etc.), but I don’t have enough money.” What a perfect opportunity to reinforce the idea of working for money. Find some extra chores around the house and offer to pay kids enough to help them earn the difference. My kids are familiar with the $0.05 per weed plan of helping Dad around the yard.

Raise allowance to cover more of your child’s expenses. One allowance hack my wife and I are introducing this upcoming school year is to include my daughter’s lunch money in her allowance. It’s my opinion that she buys her lunch too often, and I hope to encourage her to “brown bag” it like Dad usually does. It’s fun to eat out, or buy a school lunch once a week or so, but it is almost always cheaper (and healthier) to make something from home.

Ages 14-18: Coach Kids On Using Checking and Credit

Open a checking account; deposit allowance into it. In addition to a savings account for kids, teen years are a good time to introduce checking accounts. Encourage teens to deposit their allowance, and other found money, into checking and make appropriate contributions to their savings account.

Introduce debit or prepaid credit card and monitor (by 16). Along with a checking account, help your teen get set up with a debit card. I don’t advocate introducing teens to credit cards, but that’s a personal decision. Teens can accomplish everything they need to learn about using plastic with a debit card. Later, when they are earning their own money, they can apply and pay for their own credit card if they decide, but I would not let them use plastic and me pay for it. Kids need to understand the transaction behind shopping with a credit card, and using their hard-earned dollars to pay for the items when the bill arrives.

Encourage part-time job (by 16). I have mixed feelings on this suggestion. I’ve worked since the day I turned 16. I worked in high school, and all the way through college. While it was nice to have spending money, it was a necessity in college. Either way, it put a strain on my grades, and my social life (who am I kidding, what social life?).  The only time I didn’t work was during football season when it wasn’t possible to keep a job and practice. I would encourage my own kids to take up things like babysitting, pet sitting, lawn care, or a similar entrepreneurial service–it beats the pay from most retail or fast food outlets and they’ll have more schedule flexibility.

Ages 19-22: Set a Path for Financial Independence

Expand allowance to cover a semester (if in college). I disagree with this suggestion because a semester is a long time. Imagine if we had to budget our income on a quarterly basis, rather than month-to-month. I would extend allowances to no more than a monthly allotment which covers things like rent (if living off campus), some money for utilities and food, and a little for miscellaneous college expenses–you know, like pizza, iTunes downloads, and football tickets.

Provide financial help only if it fuels independence. We have a goal to gift a down payment to our kids when they get married (which may or may not happen outside of this age bracket). My wife and I married young, and could not afford a home for many years. I don’t agree with buying an entire home for kids, but helping them with the down payment seems like a way to help them get on solid ground early on.

Continue to encourage charity. Continue to lead by example, and encourage teens to make time for helping others. I was encouraged to hear about college students spending Spring Break along the Gulf of Mexico in the wake of Hurricane Katrina – not to party, but to help those hurting rebuild their lives. We need more examples like this, and it shouldn’t take a natural disaster to spur a giving spirit.

Yes, We Paid Off The Tahoe

Fans of the Dave Ramsey Show probably recognized that line in the title. Dave’s got a few variations – pay off the Tahoe, amputate the Tahoe, etc. Over the last few weeks I’ve been hinting at how close we were to paying off my wife’s Tahoe (our family vehicle). My old van was paid off long ago, but our family ride has been dragging a debt payment behind it for the last four years. I’ve been personally dragging around car debt even longer, and I can’t tell you how good it felt to make the last payment on Friday.

It might not seem like a big deal to some, but for me it represents finally freeing ourselves of the bondage of car debt. It was a journey that’s taken over a decade. I’ve gone through the sordid history of my ill-conceived car purchases in the past in great detail, so I’ll simply summarize them here.

  • My first car was a 1985 Buick Century, handed down from my grandparents. It was a nice car, but it wasn’t a “cool” car, so I didn’t fully appreciate it as a teenager. However, it didn’t have a payment, and the insurance was relatively cheap, which is a big bonus for teenagers. I drove that Buick until the wheels fell off, almost quite literally. It developed serious electrical problems, and one night while parked in my dorm room parking lot in college it caught fire under the hood. We tried to replace some of the wiring, but it was cooked…literally.
  • At 21 years-old, and newly married, I leased a brand new Isuzu Rodeo. It was a stupid decision considering the annual salary I was earning at the time was only a fraction more than the lease amount!
  • At 26 years-old I was still driving the Rodeo, having paid off the lease by taking out another loan, extending the payments another three years.
  • At 27 years-old our family was growing, so we bought a used (the only thing smart about it) 2001 Chevy Tahoe. Since I still owed money on the Rodeo, the bank was nice enough to roll that into the loan for the Tahoe since the sellers were letting it go for far less than Kelly Blue Book.
  • After a number of months of trying to sell the Rodeo via private sale, I made the mistake of stopping by a car lot and started stalking a beautiful, gently used Chevy Silverado pickup truck. The salesman worked his magic and talked me into trading in the Rodeo and driving off with the Silverado (and even more car debt).
  • It only took a few months of making both payments for me to realize something had to give, and that something had to be my Silverado truck – as much as I loved that truck. I put a “For Sale” sign in the window, and advertised it in the local credit union bulletin. In two weeks she was being backed out of my driveway by the new owner for $1,000 less than what I paid.  I wrote that $1,000 off as stupid tax.

We diligently kept up payments on the Tahoe, but at some point I just got downright tired of having a car payment. I told my wife in April that I wanted to move the Tahoe up in our debt snowball, following what I now know to be the Debt Tsunami style of debt snowballing. It didn’t make sense mathematically, as it was an incredibly low interest rate, and it wasn’t our lowest balance. It was personal. I had decided we had been dragging around a car payment long enough, and since we were within a few thousand dollars of paying it off, I wanted to make a final push and be done with it.

Last Friday we did just that, making a final payoff of about $700, which I scrounged up from freelance work, and from Friday’s paycheck from my full-time gig. The budget will be a tighter for the next two weeks because it was a stretch to pay it off, but I couldn’t wait another two weeks. The instant I pressed “submit” for the final loan payment online I felt the load of eleven years of car debt being lifted.

Now I look forward to receiving the title from our credit union, and for the first time in my adult life, being car debt free. Dave Ramsey’s right; they do drive better when they aren’t towing a car payment!

Disney Savings Tips

Our family is in the very early stages of mapping out a Disney World vacation in the next year. Our kids are old enough to enjoy, and remember, the vacation, and we would like to go before they get too old to appreciate it. I’m curious if it is possible to weave some frugality in our Disney vacation plans while still making it a memorable trip for our family. That’s where I need your help finding Disney vacation tips.

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Photo courtesy of aw101101

Stay Inside or Outside the Park?

At first glance, it seems finding a hotel or other lodging outside of the park seems to make the most sense. However, there are advantages to staying inside the park, too. I’ve taken particular interest to the Animal Kingdom Lodge, but it’s pricey with rates starting at $240 a night (and even higher with “savannah views”).

If we decide to stay five or six nights that could add up to over $1,000 pretty quickly. Then again, since we’ve never been to Disney World, and likely won’t go back for a while, it might be worth the splurge (I can’t believe I just typed that!). Anyone have experience with staying inside or outside the park? Advantages and disadvantages? Any tips savings tips for the Disney resorts?

Finding a Deal On Park Tickets

I noticed at the Disney World website you can purchase a package deal through their “Price Your Dream Vacation” widget. Out of curiosity, I scheduled a six-night stay inside the park with a “5-Day Magic Your Way Ticket with Park Hopper®” pass. We would like to take at least one day off from Disney to visit Sea World. Depending on different room configurations, it looked like the package would cost around $3,500, or $580 a day. Ouch!

Is it cheaper to buy the Disney Park Hopper Pass separately? Are there discounts for those with retired or active military in their family?

Meal Plan or Wing It?

According to the Disney World site there are various meal plans available. I’ve heard horror stories about the meal prices at Disney World, and since I’m normally a dollar-menu kind of guy, the thought of spending tons of money on food hurts. Is the meal plan really a great deal, or do you do better to try to live off snack foods and bottled water (which I think you can take into the park, correct?).

Over time, I plan to compile another post with some of your tips and I’ll be sure to give you credit. And of course after our trip I’ll hopefully have some frugal Disney vacation tips to pass along to all of you. However, at this point in my plans I’m counting on readers to steer me in a frugal direction. Thanks for any travel tips!

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For those of you who have visited before, what favorite Disney vacation tips can you share with fellow readers?

State Of The Blog Address: Mid-year Checkup Edition

Around New Year’s I published a short series of goals. The third group of resolutions dealt with my 2009 goals here at Frugal Dad, and related to things like subscribers, traffic and income.

With the first half of the year nearly up, I thought it might be a good time to review those goals and the progress made so far in 2009.

Blogging Goal 1: Attract 7,000 subscribers

When I set that goal I had 4,899 (on 12/30/2008). As of this writing I have 7,507 subscribers. I’m flattered over 7,000 people find what I write here worthy of following. I’ll let you in on a little secret – I have a stretch goal of 10,000 followers by the end of the year. You can help by continuing to tell your friends about FrugalDad.com, and by sharing the occasional article with them.  And if you aren’t already receiving my daily articles for free, why not sign up now?

Blogging Goal 2: Receive 250,000 page views per month

At the close of 2008 I was averaging around 110,000 page views a month. Unfortunately, I haven’t enjoyed as much growth as I would have liked as I’m now averaging around 135,000 page views a month. I’m grateful for every visitor, but I need to find new ways to find more.

Blogging Goal 3: Earn 100% of my regular, full-time earnings from writing

When I shared this goal with you I was earning nearly 50% of the earnings from my day job. That number has trended higher and as of May 2009 I’m now earning just over 60% of my full-time income.

When I set this goal I had the idea I would one day replace my full-time job with writing, but now I see the benefit in continuing both (assuming I can keep up the insane schedule).

Blogging is not something you can earn big money with quickly, but given enough time and dedication it is possible to claim it as a decent side hustle. I’ve been writing for the web for over two years, and here at Frugal Dad for about 18 months. That might seem like an eternity to some, but the real champions of blogging started back in 2005 and 2006 (and earlier).

Again, thank you, the readers, for sticking around through the ups and downs. I’ve never attempted to separate my personal triumphs and failures from Frugal Dad, because I hope you are inspired by them, or at least learn from them (as in, my screw-ups).

I would now like to turn things over to you and ask for some feedback on Frugal Dad.

  • What types of posts do you most enjoy?
  • Do you like days when I post more than once?
  • What other peripheral topics would you like to see covered more often (careers, entrepreneurialism, household tips, investing, kids and money, etc.)?
  • Are there things you strongly dislike about the site – layout, content, etc?

Please give me an honest assessment as I’d like to expand Frugal Dad’s reach in the second half of the year, and I’ll need your help to do it. Thanks for your continued support!

Cash for Clunkers Program

The House recently passed a Cash for Clunkers bill which aims to increase new car sales while getting older, inefficient ”clunkers” off the road. In exchange, participants can earn up to a $4,500 credit/voucher off the price of a new, more fuel-efficient car. Here’s why I don’t think it will work, and why I don’t plan to participate if it should become law.

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Photo courtesy of dave 7

First of all, I think it is a mistake to create artificial demand for new cars by borrowing from taxpayers. I would much rather see the four billion dollars this program will likely cost be used to pay down some of our national debt, and let the creation of buyer’s incentives be left up to car manufacturers.

With unemployment still hovering around double digits (real unemployment is actually much higher), I doubt many people are going to rush out to buy a new car simply because the government is offering cash for clunkers. Environmental concerns aside, we’d be better off financially, continuing to drive our clunkers.

What if your so-called “clunker” is worth more than the value of the voucher? You might be able to get more from a straight-up trade in, or selling your vehicle private sale, than taking advantage of the cash for clunker offer. Of course, that option does not get the cars off the road, which is a close second objective of this bill–the first is to stimulate new car sales.

If you are on the fence about the cash for clunker program, perhaps the ever-increasing gas prices this summer will help change your mind. Do you think it is a coincidence prices are quickly approaching $3.00 per gallon?

This all reminds me of the $600 tax rebate checks, which had little effect (temporary, at best) on stimulating spending. When people are worried about losing their jobs, and already deep in debt, they are usually not in a spending mood. Any additional cash will be saved or used to pay down debt. I plan on keeping my clunkers, thank you very much.

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