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	<title>Comments on: Weekly Roundup &#8211; Hands Off My Clunker Edition</title>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. As to the results, check the Wikipedia article on Cash for Clunkers&#039; sources (mostly in NYtimes, etc). It appears that a huge number of trucks are being traded in; and a fewer (but still large) number of trucks are being bought. The #1 tradein is a Ford Excursion and the number one new purchase is a Ford Focus.

So it appears people are using this deal to downsize rather than just buy a new car. I can get behind that, though I&#039;d honestly prefer that they be buying used. Not that I claim to understand economics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. As to the results, check the Wikipedia article on Cash for Clunkers&#8217; sources (mostly in NYtimes, etc). It appears that a huge number of trucks are being traded in; and a fewer (but still large) number of trucks are being bought. The #1 tradein is a Ford Excursion and the number one new purchase is a Ford Focus.</p>
<p>So it appears people are using this deal to downsize rather than just buy a new car. I can get behind that, though I&#8217;d honestly prefer that they be buying used. Not that I claim to understand economics.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 14:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fail to see how letting badly managed businesses die or be bought out by their competitors will put us in hobo kitchens. 

I can see how the added taxes will force me to a lower standard of living so my tax dollars can support those poorly managed businesses and people who spent with reckless abandon when I&#039;ve always lived within my means. 
Most of these auto sales are being financed and too much debt/loans are what caused the problem with our economy to begin with. If people were paying cash for those cars then it would help in the long term however I just see a lot of auto repossessions or a car payer bail out in the future - I sincerely hope I&#039;m wrong on that one. 

I also fail to see how it is the responsibility of a Democratic Republic to bail out a baldy managed private company. 
If you never allow a child to stumble &amp; walk on their own they will never learn. 

BTW - My family restores classic Chevy &amp; Dodge vehicles. I love chevies with a deep passion &amp; hate Ford to a illogical almost religious level.
Sadly, while GM &amp; such were making the gas guzzlers &amp; discontinuing smaller cars Ford was releasing the Focus. Ford was running their show like a business with a long term focus while the rest were focusing on the here &amp; now. And yes, I know there was more to it for GM - like the union stuff but I&#039;m trying to keep this short :)

Oh &amp; one other thing - 3 people here at work have traded their cars in for SUVs that get lower mileage then their original car. The mileage part is of their own admission - they &quot;upgraded to a better vehicle since the govt is helping with the down payment&quot; just like people upgraded their houses during the housing boom. I fail to see how that helps the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fail to see how letting badly managed businesses die or be bought out by their competitors will put us in hobo kitchens. </p>
<p>I can see how the added <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/turbotax" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://turbotax.com';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">taxes</a> will force me to a lower standard of living so my tax dollars can support those poorly managed businesses and people who spent with reckless abandon when I&#8217;ve always lived within my means.<br />
Most of these auto sales are being financed and too much debt/loans are what caused the problem with our economy to begin with. If people were paying cash for those cars then it would help in the long term however I just see a lot of auto repossessions or a car payer bail out in the future &#8211; I sincerely hope I&#8217;m wrong on that one. </p>
<p>I also fail to see how it is the responsibility of a Democratic Republic to bail out a baldy managed private company.<br />
If you never allow a child to stumble &amp; walk on their own they will never learn. </p>
<p>BTW &#8211; My family restores classic Chevy &amp; Dodge vehicles. I love chevies with a deep passion &amp; hate Ford to a illogical almost religious level.<br />
Sadly, while GM &amp; such were making the gas guzzlers &amp; discontinuing smaller cars Ford was releasing the Focus. Ford was running their show like a business with a long term focus while the rest were focusing on the here &amp; now. And yes, I know there was more to it for GM &#8211; like the union stuff but I&#8217;m trying to keep this short <img src='http://frugaldad.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Oh &amp; one other thing &#8211; 3 people here at work have traded their cars in for SUVs that get lower mileage then their original car. The mileage part is of their own admission &#8211; they &#8220;upgraded to a better vehicle since the govt is helping with the down payment&#8221; just like people upgraded their houses during the housing boom. I fail to see how that helps the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob in Madrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob in Madrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, btw I wanted too add that there is real concern over the sheer size of the deficts in Washington, the only good news, if you can call it that, is the Chinese are joined at the hip with us, we lose, they lose. Secondly and much more importantly Americans are starting to save, while it hurts in the short term it is overall good news for the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, btw I wanted too add that there is real concern over the sheer size of the deficts in Washington, the only good news, if you can call it that, is the Chinese are joined at the hip with us, we lose, they lose. Secondly and much more importantly Americans are starting to save, while it hurts in the short term it is overall good news for the economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frugal Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:18:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rob: Nope, the tone was just right, and your points are well made. We agree that there is little about the original stimulus package that was stimulative - and if there is any &quot;stimulus,&quot; it is backloaded to roll out later rather than sooner. Considering only 10-15% of the stimulus has actually been spent 6 months in makes me think an immediate boost to the economy was not the main priority - it was expanding the size of the government. 

Jury&#039;s still out on Cash for Clunkers, since the administration will not release the numbers from round one. My guess is that consumers chose more foreign manufactured cars, and those on the higher end of allowable MPG ratings, frustrating economists and environmentalists alike. I know the program has helped local dealers, particularly those in the hardest hit areas, but I wonder where we&#039;ll be when the program ends and demand again dries up.</description>
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<p>@Rob: Nope, the tone was just right, and your points are well made. We agree that there is little about the original stimulus package that was stimulative &#8211; and if there is any &#8220;stimulus,&#8221; it is backloaded to roll out later rather than sooner. Considering only 10-15% of the stimulus has actually been spent 6 months in makes me think an immediate boost to the economy was not the main priority &#8211; it was expanding the size of the government. </p>
<p>Jury&#8217;s still out on Cash for Clunkers, since the administration will not release the numbers from round one. My guess is that consumers chose more foreign manufactured cars, and those on the higher end of allowable MPG ratings, frustrating economists and environmentalists alike. I know the program has helped local dealers, particularly those in the hardest hit areas, but I wonder where we&#8217;ll be when the program ends and demand again dries up.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob in Madrid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob in Madrid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:58:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief, I wish conservative bloggers would bone up a bit economics. Yes the program cost 3 billion plus but it (for the most part) it is money well spent. The purpose of stimulus programs (more on Obama&#039;s program in a bit) is the just that, to get the economy moving again. And this nothing simulates the economy better than car sales. The cash back program is just the thing to push a reluctant buyer over the edge.

I know there are alot of conservative bloggers who prefer to see Detroit Michigan and California go over the edge (serves them right) and think the only choice is to let the markets work. Well I don&#039;t know about you but I have no desire to be living in a hobo camp lining up at a soup kitchen because were in the great depression part 2. 

AS to the Obama Stimulus plan, I do agree with most bloggers on this one, for the simple reason it&#039;s too little and too late. It&#039;s mostly spent on welfare type payments and not near near enough on projects that will create short term employment (enough to get us through the worse). 

Unfortunately I expect Obama to be back for stimulus package nr 2.

Well I don&#039;t agree with everything Paul Krugman says I would recommend reading his blog as he makes some very powerful arguments against the conservative dogma on what needs to be done. 

PS hope it doesn&#039;t come across as too argumentative, it&#039;s hard to get the tone right when talking politics :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief, I wish conservative bloggers would bone up a bit economics. Yes the program cost 3 billion plus but it (for the most part) it is money well spent. The purpose of stimulus programs (more on Obama&#8217;s program in a bit) is the just that, to get the economy moving again. And this nothing simulates the economy better than car sales. The cash back program is just the thing to push a reluctant buyer over the edge.</p>
<p>I know there are alot of conservative bloggers who prefer to see Detroit Michigan and California go over the edge (serves them right) and think the only choice is to let the markets work. Well I don&#8217;t know about you but I have no desire to be living in a hobo camp lining up at a soup kitchen because were in the great depression part 2. </p>
<p>AS to the Obama Stimulus plan, I do agree with most bloggers on this one, for the simple reason it&#8217;s too little and too late. It&#8217;s mostly spent on welfare type payments and not near near enough on projects that will create short term employment (enough to get us through the worse). </p>
<p>Unfortunately I expect Obama to be back for stimulus package nr 2.</p>
<p>Well I don&#8217;t agree with everything Paul Krugman says I would recommend reading his blog as he makes some very powerful arguments against the conservative dogma on what needs to be done. </p>
<p>PS hope it doesn&#8217;t come across as too argumentative, it&#8217;s hard to get the tone right when talking politics <img src='http://frugaldad.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 02:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s very true.  We know it&#039;s expensive, and we also have o clue how much of the next $2 billion will get used or what percentage will be recouped with taxes from the sales.  What I do know though, is that instead of reading everything and considering the pros and cons, most people I&#039;ve talked to about this rail on and on without considering what part the American Consumer has played in using up that one billion.  It&#039;s like a Def Leopard album; one of the highest grossing album sale bands, yet almost know one admits to owning the record.  A lot of people who needed new cars got them, and a lot who didn&#039;t took advantage.  And yes, this is the tax payers&#039; money--which a large percentage of the taxpayers are spending like gang busters unnecessarily.  And yet it seems like everyone is complaining about the deficit.  Interesting, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s very true.  We know it&#8217;s expensive, and we also have o clue how much of the next $2 billion will get used or what percentage will be recouped with <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/turbotax" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://turbotax.com';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">taxes</a> from the sales.  What I do know though, is that instead of reading everything and considering the pros and cons, most people I&#8217;ve talked to about this rail on and on without considering what part the American Consumer has played in using up that one billion.  It&#8217;s like a Def Leopard album; one of the highest grossing album sale bands, yet almost know one admits to owning the record.  A lot of people who needed new cars got them, and a lot who didn&#8217;t took advantage.  And yes, this is the tax payers&#8217; money&#8211;which a large percentage of the taxpayers are spending like gang busters unnecessarily.  And yet it seems like everyone is complaining about the deficit.  Interesting, right?</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal Dad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frugal Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 01:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jessica: You have made some good points, but left out the financial aspects of this program. The fact it is costing taxpayers $3 billion dollars in money that we don&#039;t have negates most, if not all, of the positive side effects of Cash for Clunkers, in my opinion.</description>
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<p>@Jessica: You have made some good points, but left out the financial aspects of this program. The fact it is costing taxpayers $3 billion dollars in money that we don&#8217;t have negates most, if not all, of the positive side effects of Cash for Clunkers, in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 16:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of these comments show lack of research.  While the population is certainly turning in cars they should keep, that isn&#039;t the governments fault.  Can you honestly say that, given the choice of used cars available, you would purchase one that&#039;s about ten years old with poor gas mileage?  Come on, that&#039;s the stupidest decision you&#039;d ever make.  The cars are stripped for all parts except the engine, as we are trying to get these environmentally unfriendly cars out of circulation.  Then, the frames are crushed and turned into &lt;i&gt;American made building material!&lt;/i&gt;  Heaven forbid.  

Once again we blame the government and industry for our problems.  As we have shown ourselves to be a nation of people who freaked out over cheap cars without considering if we need one or what it would cost overall, just like we were a nation of people who bought houses we couldn&#039;t afford because the banks said we could.  The lack of personally responsibility you hear is incredibly frustrating.  Whether you like the problem or not, don&#039;t blame anyone but the consumer for the fact that it took off like gangbusters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of these comments show lack of research.  While the population is certainly turning in cars they should keep, that isn&#8217;t the governments fault.  Can you honestly say that, given the choice of used cars available, you would purchase one that&#8217;s about ten years old with poor gas mileage?  Come on, that&#8217;s the stupidest decision you&#8217;d ever make.  The cars are stripped for all parts except the engine, as we are trying to get these environmentally unfriendly cars out of circulation.  Then, the frames are crushed and turned into <i>American made building material!</i>  Heaven forbid.  </p>
<p>Once again we blame the government and industry for our problems.  As we have shown ourselves to be a nation of people who freaked out over cheap cars without considering if we need one or what it would cost overall, just like we were a nation of people who bought houses we couldn&#8217;t afford because the banks said we could.  The lack of personally responsibility you hear is incredibly frustrating.  Whether you like the problem or not, don&#8217;t blame anyone but the consumer for the fact that it took off like gangbusters.</p>
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		<title>By: almost there</title>
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		<dc:creator>almost there</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 22:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CNN had a segment last night that says the c4c program is hurting junk dealers.  Most of the money they get is from the engine.  If it is trashed they still have the environmantal cost of dismantling the cars and safely removing fluids. Additionally the cost of towing and crushing the body.  They don&#039;t get much for the scrap metal. Perhaps we will have a cash for CARcass next to help out the junkyards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CNN had a segment last night that says the c4c program is hurting junk dealers.  Most of the money they get is from the engine.  If it is trashed they still have the environmantal cost of dismantling the cars and safely removing fluids. Additionally the cost of towing and crushing the body.  They don&#8217;t get much for the scrap metal. Perhaps we will have a cash for CARcass next to help out the junkyards.</p>
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		<title>By: JoAnne</title>
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		<dc:creator>JoAnne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 20:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it&#039;s a shame that the engine must be disabled, because that could be reused.

BUT - when a car is junked properly, 95% of it is recycled.  It does not just end up in a landfill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it&#8217;s a shame that the engine must be disabled, because that could be reused.</p>
<p>BUT &#8211; when a car is junked properly, 95% of it is recycled.  It does not just end up in a landfill.</p>
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