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		<title>By: Morgan at TheDebtDance</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2009/08/11/create-a-dream-budget-for-extra-motivation/comment-page-1/#comment-37648</link>
		<dc:creator>Morgan at TheDebtDance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several people have mentioned being let down when they are debt free-that it wasn&#039;t the excitement they had anticipated. I would suggest that being debt free (or being wealthy) is a hollow existence without your dreams attached. If your money (or lack of debt) is not bringing you your heart pounding wishes and dreams then it is time to take a look at what you really, really want in life. Don&#039;t be on your death bed thinking back on paying off Citibank. Think, with a smile,about the glorious sites you&#039;ve seen, the people whose lives you touched, the joy you found. ...that&#039;s what it&#039;s all about.
Many blessings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several people have mentioned being let down when they are debt free-that it wasn&#8217;t the excitement they had anticipated. I would suggest that being <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/debtgoal" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://debtgoal.com';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">debt free</a> (or being wealthy) is a hollow existence without your dreams attached. If your money (or lack of debt) is not bringing you your heart pounding wishes and dreams then it is time to take a look at what you really, really want in life. Don&#8217;t be on your death bed thinking back on paying off Citibank. Think, with a smile,about the glorious sites you&#8217;ve seen, the people whose lives you touched, the joy you found. &#8230;that&#8217;s what it&#8217;s all about.<br />
Many blessings.</p>
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		<title>By: DDFD at DivorcedDadFrugalDad.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>DDFD at DivorcedDadFrugalDad.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 16:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post.

I am an Excel junkie and I do multiple &quot;What if&quot; budgets that explore more of less revenue and possible outcomes of expense management changes like accelerating car payments or various debt payments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post.</p>
<p>I am an Excel junkie and I do multiple &#8220;What if&#8221; budgets that explore more of less revenue and possible outcomes of expense management changes like accelerating car payments or various debt payments.</p>
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		<title>By: Monevator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monevator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 21:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great idea. I&#039;d suggest everyone immediately diverts their debt repayments to long-term stock market investments though, even in their fantasies. 

But then I am rather obsessed like that! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea. I&#8217;d suggest everyone immediately diverts their debt repayments to long-term stock market investments though, even in their fantasies. </p>
<p>But then I am rather obsessed like that! <img src='http://frugaldad.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: RB @ RichBy30RetireBy40</title>
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		<dc:creator>RB @ RichBy30RetireBy40</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We must learn to REALLY HATE bad debt and slay it down.  The more debt you have, the deeper in jail you are if you will.  Once you get rid of all your debt, you will really be set free.  Just remember all the times you paid off your CC bill, or student loans, or whatever.  Magnify by 10 and there you are  FREE!

Best, RB</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We must learn to REALLY HATE bad debt and slay it down.  The more debt you have, the deeper in jail you are if you will.  Once you get rid of all your debt, you will really be set free.  Just remember all the times you paid off your CC bill, or student loans, or whatever.  Magnify by 10 and there you are  FREE!</p>
<p>Best, RB</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 06:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurie,
You make some interesting points, and I think the commenters who have already responded have done a good job as well.

We also went from two very good incomes to one very good income. Fortunately for us, though, my wife always knew she wanted to stay home when we had kids, at least while they&#039;re young, she was a better financial planner than I was (at the time), and so she never let us spend one dime of her income while she was working. Not only did we not spend any of hers, but we saved a healthy chunk of mine as well.

For five years we put all that money into plain vanilla CD&#039;s so that when we finally had kids, settled down, and bought a house we could make a 75% down payment. 

I realize that not everyone is fortunate to be in a situation to live like this, but I also know that there are A TON of educated young people who are, and choose not to. 

The benefits to this plan are three-fold, in my opinion. The first is that you never get unnecessarily accustomed to a lifestyle that you will eventually have to cut back on. The second is that it takes serious advantage of the time value of money.  The third (an extension of the second) is that by &quot;buying down&quot; your mortgage so significantly, it frees up alot of cash right away for savings, yes, but also plenty of fun stuff.

We have more free spending money now than we did when we had two incomes and were earning more.

This is a hard path to follow initially, and if it had been my choice I wouldn&#039;t have been forward thinking enough to do it. So I have only my wife to thank for this one, and her very sensible and frugal parents for their example.

The only thing that stood out in your posts, Laurie, was you mentioned spending alot of money on your kids&#039; education. I&#039;m assuming this is in addition to college savings, and you&#039;re referring to private school tuition. I can&#039;t pretend to know anything about your situation, but I know those bills would be somewhat of a game changer for us. When we were house hunting, the first criteria we searched by was the public school district we were comfortable with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurie,<br />
You make some interesting points, and I think the commenters who have already responded have done a good job as well.</p>
<p>We also went from two very good incomes to one very good income. Fortunately for us, though, my wife always knew she wanted to stay home when we had kids, at least while they&#8217;re young, she was a better financial planner than I was (at the time), and so she never let us spend one dime of her income while she was working. Not only did we not spend any of hers, but we saved a healthy chunk of mine as well.</p>
<p>For five years we put all that money into plain vanilla CD&#8217;s so that when we finally had kids, settled down, and bought a house we could make a 75% down payment. </p>
<p>I realize that not everyone is fortunate to be in a situation to live like this, but I also know that there are A TON of educated young people who are, and choose not to. </p>
<p>The benefits to this plan are three-fold, in my opinion. The first is that you never get unnecessarily accustomed to a lifestyle that you will eventually have to cut back on. The second is that it takes serious advantage of the time value of money.  The third (an extension of the second) is that by &#8220;buying down&#8221; your mortgage so significantly, it frees up alot of cash right away for savings, yes, but also plenty of fun stuff.</p>
<p>We have more free spending money now than we did when we had two incomes and were earning more.</p>
<p>This is a hard path to follow initially, and if it had been my choice I wouldn&#8217;t have been forward thinking enough to do it. So I have only my wife to thank for this one, and her very sensible and frugal parents for their example.</p>
<p>The only thing that stood out in your posts, Laurie, was you mentioned spending alot of money on your kids&#8217; education. I&#8217;m assuming this is in addition to <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/upromise" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://upromise.com';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">college savings</a>, and you&#8217;re referring to private school tuition. I can&#8217;t pretend to know anything about your situation, but I know those bills would be somewhat of a game changer for us. When we were house hunting, the first criteria we searched by was the public school district we were comfortable with.</p>
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		<title>By: IndianaTeacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>IndianaTeacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 03:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laurie, you absolutely did not come across as a &quot;whiner.&quot; It was so refreshing to have someone express what I have often felt. With $5000 Roth IRA contributions, 403b, college, and other savings (about 30-35% of our income every year), I just never really feel flush. Yet that&#039;s alright since the only way to feel flush would mean not to save, and that would be unacceptable to me. Of course, you can&#039;t have a budget so tight that there is no money for fun. Like Laurie, we enjoy eating out, going to shows, and we travel; however, we budget for everything and pay cash. And Squeaky, definitely living below one&#039;s means is a habit that needs to be cultivated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurie, you absolutely did not come across as a &#8220;whiner.&#8221; It was so refreshing to have someone express what I have often felt. With $5000 Roth IRA contributions, 403b, college, and other savings (about 30-35% of our income every year), I just never really feel flush. Yet that&#8217;s alright since the only way to feel flush would mean not to save, and that would be unacceptable to me. Of course, you can&#8217;t have a budget so tight that there is no money for fun. Like Laurie, we enjoy eating out, going to shows, and we travel; however, we budget for everything and pay cash. And Squeaky, definitely living below one&#8217;s means is a habit that needs to be cultivated.</p>
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		<title>By: Savvy Frugality</title>
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		<dc:creator>Savvy Frugality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 02:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice way of highlighting just how costly debt is to a family.  I&#039;ll be doing this one with wife and son.  I can explain why debt is bad until I&#039;m blue in the face, but illustrating exactly what they are doing without would really hit home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice way of highlighting just how costly debt is to a family.  I&#8217;ll be doing this one with wife and son.  I can explain why debt is bad until I&#8217;m blue in the face, but illustrating exactly what they are doing without would really hit home.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laurie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry for coming across as a whiner (though I do feel somewhat whiny).  :)

I really didn&#039;t do a good job of pointing out that it isn&#039;t the case that we never eat out or that things are super tight - they aren&#039;t.  We budget for entertainment and eating out on a monthly basis.   I spend a lot of money on mhy kids education.  What I&#039;m really surprised at is that we DON&#039;T have the money to pay down the mortgage if we&#039;re saving like we should.  We&#039;re currently shoveling Roth $833, cars $500, college $350   sinking funds ~$800 into savings every month.  There is certainly money there - it just seems like we have to save it all!

Interestingly, I know in my heart that if we had a sudden windfall, I&#039;d plump up the kids college funds, add another 3 months emergency fund and possibly fill the car funds ... and we might go out for a nice dinner.  Perhaps the problem is really me!  

I do have to add that before kids we were a two income family (I also was making just at 6 figures) so I think I&#039;ve also been very spoiled by the days where spending on a lavish vacations and eating out at will were common place.  Doesn&#039;t it always feel like a punishment when you have to cut back?!?  Even though I&#039;m really perfectly happy with the way that things are, it still seems like (my choice to stop working and stay home) is also in some ways a little bit of a punishment!

Sometimes I think that just knowing so much about the budget (I&#039;m the nerd in our family) keeps me from *enjoying* the fruits of spending any money.  Guess that is a good thing most of the time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry for coming across as a whiner (though I do feel somewhat whiny).  <img src='http://frugaldad.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I really didn&#8217;t do a good job of pointing out that it isn&#8217;t the case that we never eat out or that things are super tight &#8211; they aren&#8217;t.  We budget for entertainment and eating out on a monthly basis.   I spend a lot of money on mhy kids education.  What I&#8217;m really surprised at is that we DON&#8217;T have the money to pay down the mortgage if we&#8217;re saving like we should.  We&#8217;re currently shoveling Roth $833, cars $500, college $350   sinking funds ~$800 into savings every month.  There is certainly money there &#8211; it just seems like we have to save it all!</p>
<p>Interestingly, I know in my heart that if we had a sudden windfall, I&#8217;d plump up the kids college funds, add another 3 months emergency fund and possibly fill the car funds &#8230; and we might go out for a nice dinner.  Perhaps the problem is really me!  </p>
<p>I do have to add that before kids we were a two income family (I also was making just at 6 figures) so I think I&#8217;ve also been very spoiled by the days where spending on a lavish vacations and eating out at will were common place.  Doesn&#8217;t it always feel like a punishment when you have to cut back?!?  Even though I&#8217;m really perfectly happy with the way that things are, it still seems like (my choice to stop working and stay home) is also in some ways a little bit of a punishment!</p>
<p>Sometimes I think that just knowing so much about the budget (I&#8217;m the nerd in our family) keeps me from *enjoying* the fruits of spending any money.  Guess that is a good thing most of the time!</p>
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		<title>By: Brad @ enemyofdebt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad @ enemyofdebt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have enjoyed reading the many different viewpoints from everyone.  While I think some people seem to be missing the point of the dream budget I think it boils down to this.  One reaction is that of hope, and the other is that of hopelessness.  It reminds me of the half-full, half-empty example.  You&#039;re happier if your glass is half-full (debt free), and disappointed when the glass is half-empty(you don&#039;t have more to spend).  Our attitude about anything shapes our actions.  My glass is half-full regardless of how many others might try to convince me that it is half-empty. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have enjoyed reading the many different viewpoints from everyone.  While I think some people seem to be missing the point of the dream budget I think it boils down to this.  One reaction is that of hope, and the other is that of hopelessness.  It reminds me of the half-full, half-empty example.  You&#8217;re happier if your glass is half-full (<a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/debtgoal" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://debtgoal.com';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">debt free</a>), and disappointed when the glass is half-empty(you don&#8217;t have more to spend).  Our attitude about anything shapes our actions.  My glass is half-full regardless of how many others might try to convince me that it is half-empty. <img src='http://frugaldad.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Annie G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annie G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 22:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Laurie.  I&#039;m always amazed at the idea that once you get out of debt, you will &quot;build wealth&quot; &quot;become rich&quot; etc.  

We have never carried much &quot;debt&quot;, and have had only a 15-year mortgage for the past 7 years.  We buy cars with cash, pay off our credit in full each month, and save more than 40% of our after tax income.  We also pay an extra $600 per month on top of our $888 mortgage.  Still, we budget every penny, and do without many things that we would like to have (vacations that aren&#039;t visiting relatives, for example).

We have maxed out work-based retirement plan contributions (what is now 401k, but had several names before that) for 16 years.  16 years - and folks, it is still not very much money.  We have also maxed Roths for 10 years - and they are worth less than our contributions.  

If we budget carefully and do without for the next 20  years, we have a slight chance of having just enough in retirement accounts to meet our basic living and medical needs.  &quot;Rich&quot; is not a possibility.  And &quot;dreams&quot; have been put aside as childish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Laurie.  I&#8217;m always amazed at the idea that once you <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/debtgoal" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://debtgoal.com';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">get out of debt</a>, you will &#8220;build wealth&#8221; &#8220;become rich&#8221; etc.  </p>
<p>We have never carried much &#8220;debt&#8221;, and have had only a 15-year mortgage for the past 7 years.  We buy cars with cash, pay off our credit in full each month, and save more than 40% of our after tax income.  We also pay an extra $600 per month on top of our $888 mortgage.  Still, we budget every penny, and do without many things that we would like to have (vacations that aren&#8217;t visiting relatives, for example).</p>
<p>We have maxed out work-based retirement plan contributions (what is now 401k, but had several names before that) for 16 years.  16 years &#8211; and folks, it is still not very much money.  We have also maxed Roths for 10 years &#8211; and they are worth less than our contributions.  </p>
<p>If we budget carefully and do without for the next 20  years, we have a slight chance of having just enough in retirement accounts to meet our basic living and medical needs.  &#8220;Rich&#8221; is not a possibility.  And &#8220;dreams&#8221; have been put aside as childish.</p>
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