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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2009/09/11/large-tax-refunds/comment-page-1/#comment-31980</link>
		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:35:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were like Dan and pretty certain that the extra money would just disappear every month and not go to pay down debt (which would be ideal but maybe not practical for him right now).  I would get an online savings account like ING that was set to automatically withdraw whatever the overpayment was.  That way you don&#039;t have to think about it and it&#039;s there.  He could still use that money to pay off debt or for emergencies.  I would worry that something would come up in December before tax refund time came around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were like Dan and pretty certain that the extra money would just disappear every month and not go to pay down debt (which would be ideal but maybe not practical for him right now).  I would get an online <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/allybank" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://allybank.com';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">savings account</a> like ING that was set to automatically withdraw whatever the overpayment was.  That way you don&#8217;t have to think about it and it&#8217;s there.  He could still use that money to pay off debt or for emergencies.  I would worry that something would come up in December before tax refund time came around.</p>
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		<title>By: DDFD at DivorcedDadFrugalDad.com</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2009/09/11/large-tax-refunds/comment-page-1/#comment-31720</link>
		<dc:creator>DDFD at DivorcedDadFrugalDad.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Giving the government an interest free loan makes me sick to my stomach!</description>
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		<title>By: Greg McFarlane</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2009/09/11/large-tax-refunds/comment-page-1/#comment-31597</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg McFarlane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Getting a large tax refund is for mental patients. The &quot;forced savings&quot; aspect notwithstanding, it&#039;s the financial equivalent of a fat person who padlocks the fridge. Or a smoker who tells her kids to &quot;hide Mommy&#039;s cigarettes somewhere good.&quot;

If you&#039;re really that afraid you&#039;re going to spend whatever leftover money you earn throughout the year on something stupid, set up either a 401(k) with automatic deductions or an account that buys you some conservative investment (Treasury inflation-protected securities, muni bonds, whatever.) Automate it, don&#039;t think about it, reap the benefits every April 15. Understand the fundamental truth about the U.S. tax system, which is that it&#039;s wired to take advantage of the very wage-earners who can&#039;t exercise enough discipline to save money throughout the year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Getting a large tax refund is for mental patients. The &#8220;forced savings&#8221; aspect notwithstanding, it&#8217;s the financial equivalent of a fat person who padlocks the fridge. Or a smoker who tells her kids to &#8220;hide Mommy&#8217;s cigarettes somewhere good.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re really that afraid you&#8217;re going to spend whatever leftover money you earn throughout the year on something stupid, set up either a 401(k) with automatic deductions or an account that buys you some conservative investment (Treasury inflation-protected securities, muni bonds, whatever.) Automate it, don&#8217;t think about it, reap the benefits every April 15. Understand the fundamental truth about the U.S. tax system, which is that it&#8217;s wired to take advantage of the very wage-earners who can&#8217;t exercise enough discipline to save money throughout the year.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2009/09/11/large-tax-refunds/comment-page-1/#comment-31592</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a very low HECS (higher education contribution scheme) debt and paid it off quickly, but still get the repayment taken out of my pay. I still save other income, but this creates a buffer for any extra tax I may have to pay on side-incomes, is a big psychological boost and gives me a lump sum to do something large with (now: maxing out my permissible early mortgage repayments). On a purely numbers basis it would be more sensible to put that into savings every week, but this *works* and works well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a very low HECS (higher education contribution scheme) debt and paid it off quickly, but still get the repayment taken out of my pay. I still save other income, but this creates a buffer for any extra tax I may have to pay on side-incomes, is a big psychological boost and gives me a lump sum to do something large with (now: maxing out my permissible early mortgage repayments). On a purely numbers basis it would be more sensible to put that into savings every week, but this *works* and works well.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandy</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2009/09/11/large-tax-refunds/comment-page-1/#comment-31534</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 03:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the w-4 calculator link.  The IOU&#039;s have me thinking twice, as well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the w-4 calculator link.  The IOU&#8217;s have me thinking twice, as well!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2009/09/11/large-tax-refunds/comment-page-1/#comment-31531</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Sep 2009 00:07:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan:

If you are overpaying taxes as a way to manage your money, you already know that this is not the &quot;most effective way&quot; to manage your money. 

Take it as a challenge to yourself to learn the self-discipline necessary to get and maintain control of your spending habits. 

If you can learn to manage this extra $500 then you can probably find ways to more effectively manage another $500 of your expenses each month.

In a few years you will not only have your emergency fund covered and debt paid you will also be well on your way to financial independence!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan:</p>
<p>If you are overpaying <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/turbotax" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://turbotax.com';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">taxes</a> as a way to manage your money, you already know that this is not the &#8220;most effective way&#8221; to manage your money. </p>
<p>Take it as a challenge to yourself to learn the self-discipline necessary to get and maintain control of your spending habits. </p>
<p>If you can learn to manage this extra $500 then you can probably find ways to more effectively manage another $500 of your expenses each month.</p>
<p>In a few years you will not only have your emergency fund covered and debt paid you will also be well on your way to financial independence!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Blakeley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Blakeley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:30:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always get a fairly large refund and I even have 7 exemptions.  When I do the worksheet it says I should have 15 exemptions on my W-4.  I have read that anything past 10 is a huge flag for the IRS and that is the last thing I want to do.  I guess I can just set it to 10 and be okay, but is that really the best thing?

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always get a fairly large refund and I even have 7 exemptions.  When I do the worksheet it says I should have 15 exemptions on my W-4.  I have read that anything past 10 is a huge flag for the IRS and that is the last thing I want to do.  I guess I can just set it to 10 and be okay, but is that really the best thing?</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: S. B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>S. B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is actually the same theme as most of the personal finance arguments on the web.

Mathematically and financially, the path of deliberately delaying your tax refund money via excess withholdings is not the best option available.  However, the claim is that the best option is not workable because you&#039;ll rush out and spend the money once you have it.

I hear this exact same scenario and argument over and over again.  Purchasing something with a credit card and paying it off before interest charges occur is financially better than paying with cash or debit card, but many people advise NOT using a credit card because they will go crazy with it.  Similarly, paying down the highest interest debt first is surely the best way mathematically to get out of debt, yet many advise paying off other debt first because they are afraid people will get discouraged.  Lots of sub-par investments like (non-renting) vacation homes are also justified by the fact that at least the mortgage is a &quot;forced savings plan&quot; and better than just blowing the money that&#039;s in your pocket.

I&#039;m pragmatic enough to see that if people really cannot control themselves with the best option available in these scenarios, then it&#039;s really NOT the best option for them.  However, people can also change and learn and grow.  A lot of people sell themselves short their whole life by insisting over and over at every scenario that they &quot;can&#039;t handle&quot; the most financially sound choice.  That often adds up to a huge pile of money over one&#039;s lifetime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is actually the same theme as most of the personal finance arguments on the web.</p>
<p>Mathematically and financially, the path of deliberately delaying your tax refund money via excess withholdings is not the best option available.  However, the claim is that the best option is not workable because you&#8217;ll rush out and spend the money once you have it.</p>
<p>I hear this exact same scenario and argument over and over again.  Purchasing something with a credit card and paying it off before interest charges occur is financially better than paying with cash or debit card, but many people advise NOT using a credit card because they will go crazy with it.  Similarly, paying down the highest interest debt first is surely the best way mathematically to <a href="http://frugaldad.com/recommends/debtgoal" style="" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmouseover="self.status='http://debtgoal.com';return true;" onmouseout="self.status=''">get out of debt</a>, yet many advise paying off other debt first because they are afraid people will get discouraged.  Lots of sub-par investments like (non-renting) vacation homes are also justified by the fact that at least the mortgage is a &#8220;forced savings plan&#8221; and better than just blowing the money that&#8217;s in your pocket.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pragmatic enough to see that if people really cannot control themselves with the best option available in these scenarios, then it&#8217;s really NOT the best option for them.  However, people can also change and learn and grow.  A lot of people sell themselves short their whole life by insisting over and over at every scenario that they &#8220;can&#8217;t handle&#8221; the most financially sound choice.  That often adds up to a huge pile of money over one&#8217;s lifetime.</p>
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		<title>By: Saving Money on a Printer &#124; Money Smart Life</title>
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		<dc:creator>Saving Money on a Printer &#124; Money Smart Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: SingleGuyMoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>SingleGuyMoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 19:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I intentionally underpay so I don&#039;t get a large refund each year. Actually, I&#039;ve had to pay a little bit for the last 4 years. I&#039;m okay with that because I would rather save my own money instead of giving the government a free loan. 

I do agree with the reader that if he lacks the discipline to save money each money, he should continue to do what he is doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I intentionally underpay so I don&#8217;t get a large refund each year. Actually, I&#8217;ve had to pay a little bit for the last 4 years. I&#8217;m okay with that because I would rather save my own money instead of giving the government a free loan. </p>
<p>I do agree with the reader that if he lacks the discipline to save money each money, he should continue to do what he is doing.</p>
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