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		<title>By: The Debtress</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2010/04/27/is-it-wrong-to-ask-to-have-your-debts-forgiven/#comment-41413</link>
		<dc:creator>The Debtress</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2010 17:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been a fantastic discussion that I enjoyed reading. I think the one thing I&#039;ve learned is that when it comes to debt it&#039;s very tough to make generalizations. There are so many factors at play that can lead someone into debt, and often those factors are out of their control or beyond someone&#039;s understanding. What if you make a credit card purchase while employed and lose your job or are seriously injured? You miss a payment, and now you&#039;re paying back your debt at a rate that may be significantly higher than what you agreed to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been a fantastic discussion that I enjoyed reading. I think the one thing I&#8217;ve learned is that when it comes to debt it&#8217;s very tough to make generalizations. There are so many factors at play that can lead someone into debt, and often those factors are out of their control or beyond someone&#8217;s understanding. What if you make a credit card purchase while employed and lose your job or are seriously injured? You miss a payment, and now you&#8217;re paying back your debt at a rate that may be significantly higher than what you agreed to.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephan</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2010/04/27/is-it-wrong-to-ask-to-have-your-debts-forgiven/#comment-41053</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 13:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think the idea behind rising interest rates is to make it harder to pay back. the idea from the ccc is to encourage consumers to stay on time. they are punishing you for messing up, just like your parents punished you when you messed up as a child. look, i understand the frustrations of consumers, but overall, its their fault. in our free market, these credit card companies should be able to do what they want, when they want, and if you dont like it, close the account and pay off the debt. some might say this will take years, but then you gotta ask yourself, why do you have a 10,000$ balance on your card? clearly, YOU messed up in the past, over spent, and didnt live within your means. stay out of debt, and you wont care what the penalty interest rate is, simple as that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think the idea behind rising interest rates is to make it harder to pay back. the idea from the ccc is to encourage consumers to stay on time. they are punishing you for messing up, just like your parents punished you when you messed up as a child. look, i understand the frustrations of consumers, but overall, its their fault. in our free market, these credit card companies should be able to do what they want, when they want, and if you dont like it, close the account and pay off the debt. some might say this will take years, but then you gotta ask yourself, why do you have a 10,000$ balance on your card? clearly, YOU messed up in the past, over spent, and didnt live within your means. stay out of debt, and you wont care what the penalty interest rate is, simple as that</p>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2010/04/27/is-it-wrong-to-ask-to-have-your-debts-forgiven/#comment-41046</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 10:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You also have to realize that people are buying/renting bigger too.

My family came to the States from another country decades ago.  My parents never bought lunch at work - they brown bagged it every day.  We never ate out at a restaurant  - totally unheard of in the 70s.  There were 7 of us in a 3 bedroom/1 bath house (bath on the 2nd floor for goodness sakes).  People will rent and buy bigger because those are the conveniences that they think they are entitled to have in life.  We lived in NYC and didn&#039;t need a car, but the first car was some sad looking leopard print (from the home mechanic knock out the dents we didn&#039;t paint it job) vehicle.  My parents were happy to have a car, not go into debt to buy a new car.

Spending habits have CLEARLY changed.  I look back and wonder how we survived, but we did.  People go into debt (or spend more than they should) over a sense of entitlement versus what they can afford.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You also have to realize that people are buying/renting bigger too.</p>
<p>My family came to the States from another country decades ago.  My parents never bought lunch at work &#8211; they brown bagged it every day.  We never ate out at a restaurant  &#8211; totally unheard of in the 70s.  There were 7 of us in a 3 bedroom/1 bath house (bath on the 2nd floor for goodness sakes).  People will rent and buy bigger because those are the conveniences that they think they are entitled to have in life.  We lived in NYC and didn&#8217;t need a car, but the first car was some sad looking leopard print (from the home mechanic knock out the dents we didn&#8217;t paint it job) vehicle.  My parents were happy to have a car, not go into debt to buy a new car.</p>
<p>Spending habits have CLEARLY changed.  I look back and wonder how we survived, but we did.  People go into debt (or spend more than they should) over a sense of entitlement versus what they can afford.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 10:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t need statistics because I have seen people write those sentiments on forums all the time.

While a lot of folks filing are due to medical bills, there is that faction that don&#039;t even want to try.  I know someone that has lots of old things on her report and her solution was to file bankruptcy to clear them.

I was just communicating with someone about their choice to sign up with a debt settlement company as it was her right to not pay what she owed.  I was just taken aback by the attitude (and encouraging others to do the same) of stick it to the banks (which also means all of us).  I am sure they didn&#039;t have that attitude when they were spending borrowed money.

There are people that will fight tooth-n-nail to keep their home.  Then there are folks that walk away because they were too under water on the house loan (their rate didn&#039;t go up and they had money to pay their mortgage).  I know one of them - the loan was in his name.  He and his family walked away and bought a new build home within a year about a mile away in the wife&#039;s name - just as big and loading up with all the stuff they had at the old house: pool. etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t need statistics because I have seen people write those sentiments on forums all the time.</p>
<p>While a lot of folks filing are due to medical bills, there is that faction that don&#8217;t even want to try.  I know someone that has lots of old things on her report and her solution was to file bankruptcy to clear them.</p>
<p>I was just communicating with someone about their choice to sign up with a debt settlement company as it was her right to not pay what she owed.  I was just taken aback by the attitude (and encouraging others to do the same) of stick it to the banks (which also means all of us).  I am sure they didn&#8217;t have that attitude when they were spending borrowed money.</p>
<p>There are people that will fight tooth-n-nail to keep their home.  Then there are folks that walk away because they were too under water on the house loan (their rate didn&#8217;t go up and they had money to pay their mortgage).  I know one of them &#8211; the loan was in his name.  He and his family walked away and bought a new build home within a year about a mile away in the wife&#8217;s name &#8211; just as big and loading up with all the stuff they had at the old house: pool. etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea &#124; Learning to Live Small</title>
		<link>http://frugaldad.com/2010/04/27/is-it-wrong-to-ask-to-have-your-debts-forgiven/#comment-41039</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrea &#124; Learning to Live Small</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 02:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: &quot;Of course not everyone in financial trouble falls into this category, but the majority of them do!&quot;

Have any statistics to support that?  Or is it just your opinion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;Of course not everyone in financial trouble falls into this category, but the majority of them do!&#8221;</p>
<p>Have any statistics to support that?  Or is it just your opinion?</p>
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		<title>By: Kathy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 21:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Stephan: Wouldn&#039;t raising interest rates on someone who is obviously having financial difficulties make it harder for them to pay the money back?

The biggest problem with credit cards is that there is no cap on interest rates. Credit card interest should be capped at a decent rate that still gives the cc companies room to charge low rates to reward people for paying on time, and to raise rates if someone is habitually late, but not so much that it would make it impossible for them to pay the debt off. 

@Khaleef @KNS Financial: It is a myth that this country is full of out of control spendthrifts. The majority of families spend a full three quarters of their income on rent/mortgage, car payments, insurance, and tuition. People are spending less on food, less on clothing, and less on household appliances than they did forty years ago. It is just not true that we&#039;ve developed an insatiable desire for debt. However, most families walk the tightrope and one misstep could send them tumbling down into financial disaster.

Furthermore, once again, the number one reason people go bankrupt is medical bills. And the majority of these folks have medical insurance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Stephan: Wouldn&#8217;t raising interest rates on someone who is obviously having financial difficulties make it harder for them to pay the money back?</p>
<p>The biggest problem with credit cards is that there is no cap on interest rates. Credit card interest should be capped at a decent rate that still gives the cc companies room to charge low rates to reward people for paying on time, and to raise rates if someone is habitually late, but not so much that it would make it impossible for them to pay the debt off. </p>
<p>@Khaleef @KNS Financial: It is a myth that this country is full of out of control spendthrifts. The majority of families spend a full three quarters of their income on rent/mortgage, car payments, insurance, and tuition. People are spending less on food, less on clothing, and less on household appliances than they did forty years ago. It is just not true that we&#8217;ve developed an insatiable desire for debt. However, most families walk the tightrope and one misstep could send them tumbling down into financial disaster.</p>
<p>Furthermore, once again, the number one reason people go bankrupt is medical bills. And the majority of these folks have medical insurance!</p>
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		<title>By: Khaleef @ KNS Financial</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khaleef @ KNS Financial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 15:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Shelly, I agree with you 100%! I hate the attitude that not paying your obligations is a right because banks make a profit! Like you said, no one blamed or cursed their bank when they were buying too much house, car, fancy meals, flat-screen tvs, etc!

Of course not everyone in financial trouble falls into this category, but the majority of them do!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Shelly, I agree with you 100%! I hate the attitude that not paying your obligations is a right because banks make a profit! Like you said, no one blamed or cursed their bank when they were buying too much house, car, fancy meals, flat-screen tvs, etc!</p>
<p>Of course not everyone in financial trouble falls into this category, but the majority of them do!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrea &#124; Learning to Live Small</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea &#124; Learning to Live Small</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 May 2010 01:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Shelley, you are correct.  The credit card company does need to have a judgment against to to cash out your bank accounts.

However, the judgment is a mere formality, because if you go to court regarding the judgment, the judge will likely ask you if the debt is yours or if there was an error.

If the debt is yours and there was no error, but you have simply lost your ability to pay, even if you intend to pay eventually, the judge has no recourse but to allow the credit card company the right to access your account, as they choose, when they choose.

Personally, I don&#039;t think that they should have the right to take your rent money or grocery money, even if you&#039;re morally  and legally obligated to pay them back.

Should a person and their family starve and/or lose their housing in order to pay their credit card when they&#039;ve hit hard times?  I don&#039;t think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Shelley, you are correct.  The credit card company does need to have a judgment against to to cash out your bank accounts.</p>
<p>However, the judgment is a mere formality, because if you go to court regarding the judgment, the judge will likely ask you if the debt is yours or if there was an error.</p>
<p>If the debt is yours and there was no error, but you have simply lost your ability to pay, even if you intend to pay eventually, the judge has no recourse but to allow the credit card company the right to access your account, as they choose, when they choose.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t think that they should have the right to take your rent money or grocery money, even if you&#8217;re morally  and legally obligated to pay them back.</p>
<p>Should a person and their family starve and/or lose their housing in order to pay their credit card when they&#8217;ve hit hard times?  I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: Aury (Thunderdrake)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aury (Thunderdrake)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 22:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always believe in there being good debt and bad debt. Good debt to be used for acquiring assets, bad debt being the kind of debt that ruins your financial life.

Even good debt is a substantial risk, as investments are known to fail. But those who take on those risks at least know what they&#039;re doing, I&#039;m sure. The majority of people seem to fall into bad debt though, which is used to buy doodads, a home to live in, college education.. That&#039;s bad. Very bad.

But to answer your question, I think it&#039;s rightful to judge those who fall into bad debt. I mean.. I do it all the time. Haha..

But I think it&#039;s important to gauge individual cases. I know a lot of people who had been targets of faulty collections and even lawsuits of things that were either beyond trivial or not even their debt at all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always believe in there being good debt and bad debt. Good debt to be used for acquiring assets, bad debt being the kind of debt that ruins your financial life.</p>
<p>Even good debt is a substantial risk, as investments are known to fail. But those who take on those risks at least know what they&#8217;re doing, I&#8217;m sure. The majority of people seem to fall into bad debt though, which is used to buy doodads, a home to live in, college education.. That&#8217;s bad. Very bad.</p>
<p>But to answer your question, I think it&#8217;s rightful to judge those who fall into bad debt. I mean.. I do it all the time. Haha..</p>
<p>But I think it&#8217;s important to gauge individual cases. I know a lot of people who had been targets of faulty collections and even lawsuits of things that were either beyond trivial or not even their debt at all!</p>
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		<title>By: Shelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 14:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If your bank raises your rate, you do have the right to go to them and say that you want your old rate back.  They will agree, but only if you close the account.  Most people don&#039;t want to do that because they think they need it in case of an emergency of don&#039;t want to hurt their FICO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If your bank raises your rate, you do have the right to go to them and say that you want your old rate back.  They will agree, but only if you close the account.  Most people don&#8217;t want to do that because they think they need it in case of an emergency of don&#8217;t want to hurt their FICO.</p>
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