I came across your web site today and I love it!  My husband was out of work for nearly 2 years.  We always had enough money to pay our bills so our credit line was very high.  Well, I used it, all of it.  I paid the phone, the car, taxes, one credit card paid another and so on.  I know I broke every cardinal rule but I did what I had to survive.

My husband is now working.  We are paying the mortgage company every week $500.00 to catch up.  My credit cards are over $80,000.00.

Here is my question…Now that we are getting back on our feet, how do we square up with the credit cards with out ending up in the same position?  I can give them each (all ten of them) 40.00 a month, but that won’t make a dent and I don’t even think they will take that low of an amount.

Laura, thank you for taking the time to share your story. It sounds like you and your husband have had a rough couple years, financially, but there will be brighter days ahead. My first piece of advice has little to do with finances, and more with your relationship with your husband.

I want to encourage you to fully disclose your financial situation to your husband. Perhaps you have already done so, but in your email you indicated “I used it, all of it. I paid the phone, the car, taxes…” I just want to make sure you and your husband understand the situation fully, and understand that while you did what you had to survive, we must now work together to clean it up.

Kudos to you for working to get the mortgage caught up, and for making that a top priority. So many times people in your situation make payments to credit cards before the mortgage payment because some obnoxious credit card collector is breathing down their neck. Prioritize the income you now have coming in putting things like food, shelter, lights, and transportation at the top. You’ll work around to the credit cards when you can, but those things must be paid first.

Consolidate Your Accounts

With ten credit cards you do have an uphill battle, but paying them off is not impossible. You didn’t share exact numbers/balances with me, but I understand your current budget only allows for $400 to go towards repaying the credit cards (hopefully you’ll have even more once the mortgage is caught up).

Spread across 10 cards, that $400 budget only leaves $40 per card. You might consider a consolidation loan with Lending Club to reduce the number of accounts (and minimum payments) you are required to pay each month. If you can successfully consolidate your accounts, but sure to close or tear up the cards of those that are paid off. Else you may revert back to old habits and begin using them again.

Sell Stuff to Raise Cash for an Emergency Fund

It would be great if you could build up a small emergency fund of a couple thousand dollars before starting your debt repayment plan. I worry the next emergency will lead you back to credit cards, and zap any progress you’ve made towards paying them off.

Do you have anything you could sell to fund this emergency fund? An extra vehicle? Old jewelry you no longer wear, but may have cash value? Appliances? Electronics? Consider hosting a yard sale or two. I’m not advocating you sell all the contents of your home, but this step will require an extreme measure or two to get an emergency fund in place.

The Debt Snowball

Here’s my advice for handling the remaining credit cards. Start with the traditional debt snowball. List your cards smallest to largest according to their current balance. The standard advice here is to pay the minimums on all accounts to keep them current, and pay anything extra on the smallest debt. In your situation, I’m not sure that’s possible, considering the sum of all minimum payments is likely much higher than $400.

I’d advise you to consider making a substantial payment – at least a couple hundred dollars – on the account with the lowest balance. Use any remaining funds to pay minimums on the next card or two. Hopefully, that card with the lowest balance can be paid off within a couple months, and when it is, walk that money right up the debt snowball to the account with the next lowest debt, and so on. The guys at the end of the list will probably be kicking and screaming for payments, but if you can’t get to them, you just can’t get to them.

Increase Your Income

While working this debt snowball, it would be great if you could find creative ways to increase your income. Perhaps you or your husband could work some overtime or a part-time job, or work from home in off hours. As you acknowledged, you are in a pretty big hole, so increasing the size of your shovel would certainly help get out of credit card debt that much faster!

I wish you and your husband the best on your journey to debt freedom. It will be a long road, but as someone who has just recently experienced debt freedom, I can tell you that every sacrifice is completely worth it!

Ask the Readers: Do you have any additional advice for Laura? Words of encouragement?

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To simplify things, we decided to use our Amex Blue card to hold all recurring, monthly charges, such as utility payments, subscriptions, etc. The benefit of this plan is two-fold.

First, it makes managing our primary checking account much easier. No longer do we have to reconcile five or six utility payments plus a number of subscriptions (Netflix, Onstar, etc.) to our checking account ledger. We simply write one payment to pay off the American Express Blue card and record it in our checking account.

Another benefit of charging all of our recurring expenses onto a single credit card is that I am able to get a consolidated view of our monthly outgo, grouped by category (more on that in a moment). I can even analyze total expenditures in each category over time online.

Sure, I could do the same thing using personal finance software, but this way I don’t have to download any transactions from multiple sources, or share any login information, making this a one-stop, secure shop to viewing our expenses.

American Express Blue Card Review

Customer Service/Website Interface I’ve never had a problem with Amex customer service, and their interface recently added some features that I’ve come to enjoy. Members may “tag” transactions using user-defined categories and view a number of reports/views based on those groupings. So far, I’ve grouped transactions by Monthly Bills and Vacation (we use this card for reservations and travel expenses). I can graph those categories over a specified time to track spending, and even pay a particularl “bucket” of my balance from a separate account (paying for vacation out of our vacation fund, for instance).

An example of the “transaction tag” I referred to above attached to my Netflix subscription fee. Notice the “Monthly Bills” designation under my Netflix charge. At the end of the month, I sum up this category to determine my monthly, recurring charges.

Competitive Rate While I plan to pay off our American Express Blue card every month, it’s nice to have a competitve interest rate on your card just in case you need to stretch your payments across a couple billing cycles. Blue comes with that flexibility to pay over time, and a 0% introductory APR for 6 months.

Rewards Program A rewards program is not what really sells me on a credit card product. After all, most programs would require thousands of dollars in spending to earn a modest reward. However, if a credit card issuer is offering to give me points just for using their product, I’ll take them!

With the Amex Blue card you earn 1 point for every eligible dollar, 2X points at the American Express Travel website, and 2X – 10X when you make purchases with select partners. Rewards are available in a variety of categories such as travel, gift cards, cash, merchandise and entertainment.

No Annual Fee – A number of Amex products (and others) have outrageous annual fees. I simply refuse to pay a fee for the privilege of charging items to the card. My Amex Blue card has a $0 annual fee.

Additional Benefits I’m Not Likely to Use, but are Nice to Have

Extended Warranty American Express extends the manufacturer warranty for purchases made using your Amex Blue Card.

Purchase Protection Eligible purchases made with the Amex card are protected against accidental damage and theft for up to 90 days from the date of purchase.

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One of the most difficult parts of getting out of debt is transitioning from a spender to a saver. I’ll be honest with you. My wife and I loved to spend money. I loved it so much that I racked up over $16,000 in credit card debt over a period of a few years. That $16,000 doesn’t even include all of the other things that I bought on my credit card that I paid off at some point. For my wife and me, going from spenders to savers has been a little more difficult than you would think.

Our Spending Years

My wife and I have been working since an early age. I started working odd jobs in the neighborhood when I was about 12. I would mow peoples lawns, clean out their garages, etc. It earned me a few bucks to play around with. Sure, I saved some money here and there, but as soon as those savings hit a threshold, I spent it. Due to my spending, things began to pile up in my room. I had new video games, a cell phone, CDs, and all the new electronics. Life was good and I had plenty of things to show for it.

As the years went on, I got real jobs that paid me a little more than the neighbor down the street. That money helped me get a car, pay for gas, and take my future wife out on dates. Then came college and the dreaded first credit card. Man did I love that piece of plastic. I mean, they only gave me a $500 credit limit. What could go wrong? Well, as you can guess, I got more cards and higher credit limits. I was buying new computers, clothes and every new cell phone that came out (can you tell I like electronics?). Oh the days of spending…..

My wife started working at 15. I can still remember picking her up at the local fast food joint smelling like deep fried goodness. She spent her money on clothes and loved doing it in the process. It was her weakness and she knew it. Being the first born child, she didn’t get the hand-me-down clothes like her sister (who made out like a bandit if you ask me). My wife wanted to look good and she spent her money on clothes to do it. She never really racked up any major credit card debt (she mostly used cash). The most credit card debt she had was a few thousand dollars worth and it was all school supplies (she was in a major that required additional things). She loved knowing that her money was hers and she could do what she wanted with it. Oh the days of spending…..

Time to Shred the Cards

Even before we said “I do”, we knew financial trouble was on the horizon if we didn’t do something. We sat down, came up with a game plan, and wrote down our goals. The first thing to go was our credit cards. Let me tell you something, shredding something that has been in your life for almost 7 years is tough. Knowing that we couldn’t buy anything on a whim was even tougher. Here are a few things that we did to help ease the pain:

1. We Wrote Down Our Goals and Came Up With a Game Plan

Like I mentioned above, we sat down and had a deep discussion about our financial future. We talked about what we wanted out of life and how we were going to achieve that while not adding to our debt. It was a difficult night, but we came out of it stronger financially and as a couple.

2. We Set Up a Budget

This was one of the harder things in the process. Before we got married we were free spenders. Sure we made sure we didn’t overdraft our accounts, but we spent our money on what we wanted. In the budget, we spent every dollar on paper and stuck to it. Sure there are times when we veer of the path somewhat, but we correct it and move on.

3. We Didn’t Cut Out Everything

When most people think about budgeting, they think about cutting everything down to the bare minimum. Well, we just couldn’t do that. We would go crazy and knew it would end up hurting us in the long run (by causing us to revert back to our old ways). So in our written plan, we budget for things such as eating out once or twice a month. I mean, sometimes you just need to get out of the house and interact with people or spend some romantic time with your spouse. We also budget about $50 a month to spend on clothes. The budget actually helps my wife think long and hard about what she is buying. Before, she just bought what she wanted when she wanted it. Having the budget changes that.

Well, there you have it. That’s how we transitioned from spenders to savers. Let me just say that it was hard and still continues to be today.

How did you handle your transition? Was it easy, hard?

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There have been few more controversial credit card practices than the one known as Universal Default. With the arrival of the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure (CARD) Act of 2009, it is soon expected to be a thing of the past.

The elimination of universal default is one of the most important provisions of the sweeping federal legislation, signed in May and going into effect in stages through next August, that is expected to change the face of the credit industry, probably including ways that we do not yet expect.

What Is Universal Default?

Universal default provisions, often buried in credit card contract gobbledygook, have allowed the credit card companies to charge cardholders more interest for late payments that had nothing to do with that specific account. Simply put, this common provision has allowed the credit card companies to increase the interest rate when a consumer fails to make a payment on another unrelated account, be it another credit card account or some other type of credit account. Like a phone bill. Or a water bill.

The CARD Act would limit increases in interest rates to “a specific, material violation of the card agreement by the issuer,” according to a Senate Committee report on the bill. It also requires credit issuers to lower penalty rates after six months if the cardholder meets his obligations.

The dollar amounts involved in Universal Default can be significant. The finance website The Motley Fool calculated that an $8,000 balance could see an increase of $1,200 per year with an interest rate rise of 15 to 30 percent. If you are on the border of being able or not being able to pay your credit card bills, the default provision can make the difference, particularly when compounded over several cards.

Advocates of the universal default provisions would say that they are accepting the reality of a consumer’s overall credit profile. If a person fails to make a payment on another account, it could indicate that they will have a more difficult time making a payment on the subject credit card account when the time comes. Therefore the increase in interest rates can discourage further borrowing that cannot be met with payment. In addition, it keeps more reliable cardholders from having to pick up as much of the tab if in fact that person eventually defaults on the balance.

Critics of Universal Default, however, point out that having multiple creditors simultaneously raising the interest rates and charging the consumer more can create a credit card death spiral that would not have existed without the universal default provisions. In addition, they have questioned the fairness of altering a contract when the contract has not been violated. It is perfectly reasonable to think that a person can miss a payment on one card for a variety of reasons and still make the regular payments on another.

Is Universal Default really dead, or will credit card companies figure out other ways to accomplish the same goals? Only time will tell.

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Credit card companies, and their defenders, will of course point to the new Credit CARD Act, which will limit revenue opportunities for credit card companies. However, in my mind, this is yet another customer-losing reaction to the impending legislation. You can blame the law of unintended consequences and thank the government, or you can blame the credit card issuers and close your accounts.

In the past, any time I’ve mentioned closing all my credit cards and living on cash, I get dozens of comments extolling the benefits of using a credit card. There are reward programs, and added consumer protection policies, and of course the convenience factor. To sell their position, fans of credit cards always pointed out that you could simply pay off the balance every month to avoid interest and fees. What if that isn’t true in the very near future? Does that change their opinion? Does it change yours?

Just when I start to get comfortable using my one remaining credit card (I use it to run through gas and utility payments and pay it off at the end of the month), news like this comes out and makes me skeptical of credit card companies all over again.

At what point do we just make ourselves immune to the whims of bank CEOs and government officials and say to heck with credit cards? Just shred ‘em! Well, I am getting pretty close to that point. If the issuer of my last card decides to play these fee games I’ll take a pair of sharp shears to it and live on cash. Come to think of it, I doubt I’d miss them.

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I have an old credit card account where my charging privileges were revoked because I was having trouble making my payments.  I have since then paid off the card and it is at a zero balance.  Do I now close the account?  Would it help my credit more if I left it open?  I am trying to rebuild after years of bad credit decisions.

Deciding to close a credit card or leave it open is a tough decision. Unfortunately, it sounds like the credit card issuer beat you to the punch. Chances are they closed your account due to past due activity, which is a major blow to your credit score because it reflects that the account was closed by the issuer, rather than by you, voluntarily.

Now that the card is paid off, you might try contacting the issuer to ask if they can update the account to reflect it was closed voluntarily. They probably won’t change the account’s status, but it’s worth asking. The very fact you paid it off will help heal your credit score, as will time since the last activity (negative information should drop off your report in seven years after the last activity).

If in fact your account still reflects “Open” on your credit card, you may want to consider leaving it open to help rebuild your credit. To do so, charge something you buy every single month, and don’t have a lot of discretion in the amount spent (gasoline, or a utility bill, comes to mind). When your credit card bill arrives, pay it off promptly. This continued, responsible use of credit will help boost your credit score over time.

There is, of course, another side to this argument. Some would argue to close it and leave it closed. Don’t play with snakes. I used to feel this way myself, but since turning around my own finances over the course of a couple years, I’m now empowered by the fact that I can buy something on my credit card for purchase protections (particularly when shopping online), and simply pay it off in full later in the month. I’m in control now; not the credit card.

It sounds like you’ve made a lot of progress in your own financial turnaround, and I applaud you. Whatever you decide to do, don’t repeat those same mistakes from the past that led to problems paying your bill. The road back to responsible credit use can be a slippery slope, so if you feel yourself start to slip, put that credit card away and go back to spending cash.

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Ultimately, I decided to leave the industry altogether for a variety of reasons, not just because the companies I represented charged fees. But one that always got me was the overlimit fee. To me, overlimit fees were an interesting example of human behavior mixed with strange business practices.

On the surface, you would think a $39 fee would be enough of a deterrent to keep people from charging above their credit line. Unfortunately, that is not the case, but it is not the whole story either. Credit card companies are nice enough to include an “authorization pad” (usually a few hundred dollars) so charges in excess of your available credit may be approved by merchants. Nice service, huh?

It would be a nice service if they didn’t follow up their generosity with an overlimit fee. Theoretically, a $10 purchase that barely puts you over the credit limit could cost you $49 thanks to the additional fee.

Why don’t credit cards decline transactions in excess of the available credit? Their answer (spin) is usually something like, “We are saving customers the embarrassment of being declined.” Gee thanks. And what a bargain! The real truth is they allow the charge to go through so they can charge overlimit fees.

That practice may not be happening for long though. As this Consumerist post points out, Amex and Discover have already ditched overlimit fees. Before you feel too sorry for Amex or Discover (yeah right), realize that this loss of income will be made up elsewhere – probably by reducing reward program benefits, and increasing rates.

This move to get rid of overlimit fees can be credited mostly to the CARD Act passed in the spring. When enacted, the CARD Act will require issuers to “opt in” to the feature of being able to exceed their credit limit, and be subject to a fee. That involves a lot of maintenance to cardholders’ accounts, so Amex and Discover decided it wasn’t worth the hassle. I’d expect other issuers to follow suit, except the subprime credit card issuers who would tack on a fee for being charged a fee if they could.

Any worries over credit card overlimit fees can be ignored if you simply decide not to spend on a credit card, particularly one that is nearing its credit limit. Charging in excess of your credit limit is the financial equivalent of spending more than is available in your checking account, and both actions may result in nasty fees.

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When It Might Make Sense To Skip a Payment

Several months ago when we were just starting our plan we received a similar offer from a different credit card (they’ve since been paid off and closed). At the time we had very little in savings, and the balance was comprised of a low-interest balance transfer offer. Since we were not being gouged with an awfully high interest rate, we decided to save the minimum payment to help build our beginning emergency fund.

It might also make sense to to take advantage of a skip a payment offer from your credit card issuer if you are in the middle of a crisis – medical disability, recently laid off, etc. In these cases, cash in your pocket to pay basic bills is more important than a relatively small reduction of debt made by a minimum payment.

Why I Don’t Like Skip A Payment Offers

Assuming you have the money to make your payment, and you are not in the middle of a real emergency, I recommend not taking advantage of a skip a payment offer from your credit card issuer. Here’s why. The credit card company offering to let you slide without a payment does not suspend the charging of interest that particular month. Since interest is calculated on the outstanding average daily balance on your account, not making a payment means you will pay a little more in interest.

There is also a psychological risk associated with not making a payment. This risk is similar to the one associated with conducting a balance transfer, or debt consolidation. You think you’ve made progress, but you haven’t, you’ve simply shifted your money around. In the case of skipping a payment you are taking the $50 you were going to pay towards debt and tossing it in savings, or spending it, two activities than will not likely improve your situation that dramatically.

However, using that same $50 to pay down debt means a permanent $50 reduction in the amount you owe (minus a little interest accumulation, and assuming you don’t run credit card balances back up). If you owed $700 on a credit card that would look like a 7% reduction in the amount you owe. Not bad, especially considering that money tucked away in savings would probably be earning less than 2% interest a year.

The bottom line is to keep the right perspective with any offer from your credit card company: skepticism. Credit card issuers are in business to make money. It’s certainly not illegal, or immoral to turn a profit, but remember that every offer, every decision they make, has been run through numerous profitibality models, and risk assessments. They are not extending an offer to skip a payment, or increase your credit line, to help you.

Post by Frugal Dad

Should You Give Your Teenager a Credit Card?

My short answer is no. I do not think teens should have a credit card, but not because they cannot be trusted, or because it encourages the use of plastic. I don’t think anyone should have a credit card if they do not have the means to pay it back themselves. Now if I could be convinced that my kids earned a steady income of $300 a month at their part time job and their limit would never increase beyond $300, then theoretically they would not accumulate debt. We all know that is not the way it works.

Credit cards companies give thousands of dollars in available credit to college students every day, even those with no income and no ability to repay. I know because I signed up for one my freshman year in school, and the first thing I charged was a Sony PlayStation video game system. After all, I could pay it back over the next couple months thanks to my part time job.

Over those next couple months I had two small emergencies that wiped out my part time earnings, and a third that I had to charge on the new credit card. So began the minimum payment game I would play for years to come.

Proponents of teen credit cards point out that allowing kids to have a credit card will help them learn to use credit responsibly as an adult. Good thing those same people don’t feel the same way about alcohol.

No, there are some things that young teenagers should not have to contend with, and one of those is the pull of available credit. Using cash hurts, and the lack of transactional pain missing when spending with a credit card will warp their spending habits. In fact, it has been shown to warp even adult’s spending habits – you just simply tend to spend more with plastic than with cash.

But It Will Help Their Credit History!

Maybe, but there will be opportunities to prove a history of creditworthiness later when they are finished with school, have their own jobs and are ready to buy a home. I tend to believe credit scores are overrated. Sure, some employers are now using them to screen employees, and other companies are using them to set rates for insurance, etc, but for the most part there is little incentive for a teenager to have an 800 FICO score. What can they do with it besides get into more debt?

As the Readers: What do you think about credit cards for teenagers? Bad idea, or good introduction to credit? Feel free to agree or disagree in the comments below.

Post by Frugal Dad

I consider myself a fairly patient dad when it comes to shopping. During most shopping excursions my son and I take up our post outside the girl’s dressing room and hold “buy” and “put back” merchandise as my wife scurries back and forth from the dressing room to the clothing racks.

During this particular visit I noticed a garbled announcement over the store’s intercom system every few minutes followed by a rowdy cheer from store employees. By the fourth of fifth time I was curious enough (and sufficiently annoyed by the irrational exuberance) to ask a nearby employee what the celebration was about. “We just signed up another credit card,” she replied enthusiastically. My sarcastic reply was, “And why are we celebrating?” She scowled and went back to folding new shirts to put on the store shelves.

After what seemed like half a day my wife and daughter emerged from the dressing room with a reasonable number of new outfits. We put back those that didn’t fit, or were a little too expensive, and made our way to the register. “Attention associates, Julie just signed up her sixth credit card. Only four more and Julie wins the referral contest!” The store immediately erupted with cheers from store associates. Had I entered the debt Twilight Zone or something?

“Would you like to sign up for a (store name shall remain anonymous to protect the not-so-innocent) card today?” No thanks, I replied. “But sir, you can save 10% off today’s purchases in addition to the sales price.” Again, I declined, and this time added, “I don’t shop with credit cards any more, and we’re paying off our remaining card.”

At this point I could see her preparing her final pitch to add another notch in her credit card sign up belt. It would probably sound something like, “If you are approved for the card you can save 10% and then pay if off when the bill arrives.” Sounds logical, I know. However, she failed to tell me if I was just one day late her department store would charge me 24.99% interest for the privilege of using their store card. No thanks.

While I am not totally “anti-credit card,” I’ve grown less and less fond of them over the last few months. It seems like every day there is a new story out about a credit card issuer raising interest rates, lowering credit limits, doubling minimum payment amounts, and other sleazy tactics. I’ve even experienced some of this myself.

Card issuer’s defense is that the impending credit card reform legislation will eat into their profits, so they are merely reacting months in advance to offset those losses. From a profit/loss perspective I get that, but I still believe a credit card company, or store, that wants to retain customers, should show them the same loyalty they ask for in return.

When I was younger I used to work at a variety of retail stores and had to push credit cards to customers. I didn’t particularly enjoy it, and I would despise it today. There is nothing more annoying than a store employee greeting customers at the door with a clipboard filled with credit card applications. I respect stores rights to market their card, but a simple stack of applications at the register would suffice.

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